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Post by sammiesam on Sept 29, 2008 22:52:46 GMT -5
so here's some pictures finally, they were taken a few days ago, he's gotten worse since then, so his scales are pineconing a bit, so I really don't think he's gunna live too long. What do you guys think bad pics sorry, best i got
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Post by eve on Sept 30, 2008 0:22:44 GMT -5
WOW, either a very bad constipation or he swallowed something, but it looks bad, sorry have you stopped feeding him? what are the water parameters? what was your feeding schedule so far?
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Sept 30, 2008 12:38:48 GMT -5
I to say constipation. Don't feed him for a few days...then feed him either Brine shrimp, Daphnia, or a little bit of a cooked fresh Pea (frozen/warmed)...Usually my guys pass the poo with either BS or the Daphnia.
I have been told that Epsom Salt (a little) in the tank helps with constipation too...(any one else heard of this???)
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Post by eve on Sept 30, 2008 13:21:22 GMT -5
yes salt will definitely help
as for the feeding, i wouldn't feed him until the swelling has gone back, at least 50% or you will just provoke to become more yet again
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 30, 2008 15:12:29 GMT -5
I hate to say but my male Rosha (father of my first spawn) died this way only it looked like he had gotten a full case of dropsy in just 2 days. Take good care of him and he might beat the odds unlike mine and make it!
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Post by sammiesam on Sept 30, 2008 17:22:04 GMT -5
alright I won't feed him, he's gunna absolutely hate me. I hate fasting my fish lol they pout for days and I feel horrible. But like I said his scales have started to pinecone as well but i'll do what I can, fast him and give him his epsom salt baths thanks guys
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Post by eve on Sept 30, 2008 19:07:10 GMT -5
don't worry about fasting him, that's the best thing you can do right now for him
if he starts pine coning, it's a sign of dropsy
if you don't see any improvement on his swelling going down in 1 or 2 more days ( i think i wouldn't even wait that long) go to the store and get marcyn TC (i succesfully did fight dropsy with it on a balloon molly this year)
i assume you have him in a tank with a filter if so, do a 50% waterchange, and start the treatment with the meds you won't be doing any waterchanges while doing the treatment !!! so make sure you do a good gravel vacuum when doing the water change as well
the water will kinda become a reddish color and foam will be building on the watersurface, everything normal for the meds
instead of the 5 day treatment, treat him for 10 days it will usually get worse before it gets better
I recommend not feeding him at all for at least 5-7 days this should help him to clear his system also the meds should help
you can give it a try, you dont' have too of course
also, if you do successfully revive him, and you start feeding him decrease the feeding amount also make sure you fast him at least 1 day out of the week, which will help prevent future constipations
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Post by sammiesam on Sept 30, 2008 19:31:06 GMT -5
i actually started him on a kanaplex treatment yesterday morning, which i like alot, I'll see what happens
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Post by eve on Sept 30, 2008 19:37:32 GMT -5
never heard of it, but good luck
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 30, 2008 19:58:03 GMT -5
it does sound like dropsy to me as well. Kanaplex is a great medication to start with as well....for those that don`t know....it treats fungal and bacterial infections. the drug is actually called kanamycin.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 30, 2008 19:59:58 GMT -5
btw Sam....I am only leaning towards dropsy now because of the pineconing thing....
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Post by Carl on Sept 30, 2008 20:04:32 GMT -5
I would go with much of what has been said, including withholding food for a few days. I would not add Epsom salts to the main tank, however a bath that includes NaCl (reg. salt) and Epsom Salt at 1/4 teaspoon per gallon along with Methylene Blue. As to the Kidneys, this is a difficult diagnois without a nercropsy, however the swelling is somewhat off for a kidney infection , rather it indicates more a stomach infection (which the bath and witholding food will help with) See article for a picture of fish anatomy: Aquarium Answers; Fish AnatomyAs to other treatment, I agree with Kanacyn which can also be added at double strength in the 30 minute baths as well. Neomycin is also exellent when fed as this is not intestinally aborbed. As mentioned by Eve Tetracycline can also work for internal swelling, however it is usually a drug of last choice for me due to the side effects that it abosorbs calcium (and calcium in the water absorbs it rendering it less effective in harder water), also Tetracycline lowers red blood cell counts in fish. See this page of my medications article for more about Tetracycline and Kanamycin: Aquarium Medications; Page 2, antibioticsCarl
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Post by sammiesam on Sept 30, 2008 22:29:16 GMT -5
alright, thanks guys.
So carl do you think I should keep feeding him, or not to feed him? Now I'm all confused, and yes there is definate pineconing happening, he doesn't look good at all.
In the baths should I do meth blue with the epsom salt and kanaplex?
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Post by murdock6701 on Sept 30, 2008 23:43:04 GMT -5
Carl's earlier post suggested the meth bath w/ epson and kanacyn for 30 minutes and stop feeding - my general impression of following this post seems to be all are united in this respect - hope I'm not sounding snotty Sam, not my intention at all, just trying to help as a everyone seems gone.....
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Post by eve on Sept 30, 2008 23:59:55 GMT -5
murdock is right
definitely not feeding !!!
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Post by Carl on Oct 1, 2008 9:24:18 GMT -5
murdock is right definitely not feeding !!! Yes, I third this! This is an important point that Eve brought up earlier in the thread, as she stated. several days may be necessary. The only exception is if you feed Neomycin such as GelTek Neomycin which is actually just a carrier, not true feeding Yes, this is what I was saying. I would also add 1-2 teaspoons per gallon of bath water of regular salt as well. If you have pineconing, this may be Dropsy as Renee and Eve stated. I am sorry if I added or made you more confused, I was hoping to bring everyone's points together, as I think everyone made good points in this thread and I do not want to come along late to this thread and make my comments as if no one else gave good comments.
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Post by sammiesam on Oct 3, 2008 21:13:23 GMT -5
so I don't think he's gunna make it too much longer He's really really badly pineconed and his stomach is so massive and swollen the very underside is like pink cause his tummy is so stretched out I dunno what to do for him anymore
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Post by eve on Oct 3, 2008 21:22:01 GMT -5
aww, that so sucks i'm very sorry
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 4, 2008 11:09:51 GMT -5
Am so sorry. If I ever find a way to fix this (because I have gone through it once before) I will let you know how to fix it. But i was wondering though too, have you tuied an apsom salt bath for him? I never had epsom salt before my betta died of the same thing so i wasn't able to try it out. It may work, still only a guess.
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 4, 2008 11:10:14 GMT -5
Sorry, i meant epsom salt, not apsom salt.
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