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Post by devonjohnsgard on Aug 21, 2015 13:03:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry they are all lost. Were they all in the 2.5 gal? More water means less flux in parameters. Might help to have them in more water. Please do keep us updated.
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Aug 28, 2015 9:32:21 GMT -5
Great news!!! 2 black PK fry still alive (well, were when I decided to break down the tank), and 1 red CT in the other spawn tank. I put the red CT with the black PK. I see the CT and 1 "black"....it seems to want to be red right now :/ AND....I use z-lite stuff for the ammonia, not realizing it produced nitrite!!! .25ppm nitrite in my holding water! I have now added several sponge filters (all my new ones) to try and "cycle" the holding water....plus season the new sponge filters. I reset the CT up using their seasoned sponge filter from the previous spawn. Tested their water for A,N,N. All were 0 ppm. I need to retest today to make sure...I know the Nitrate should reg if there are no Nitrites. I also tested the Black's soon to be spawn tank.... .25 ppm nitrite still. I kept their seasoned stuff with the 3 babies, so I am having to season a new sponge filter for them. Now that I know my holding tank was the problem (makes since now why when I added fresh water to the tank the fry died). :/ I think I will still set up my largest canister filter onto the holding tank and keep it cycling. It is still missing parts (the connector for the hoses...it is the type that uses the single connector type). .....anyway, point to this post is that I think I have finally figured out my problem, and it is NOT ammonia ...lol I'll start a new post following the CT after they spawn :-)
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Post by Carl on Aug 29, 2015 9:49:06 GMT -5
Great Lori!
What is your final analysis?
Carl
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Sept 2, 2015 9:10:04 GMT -5
CT spawned a couple days go. Their tank was totally cycled. Dad is an egg eater, so I pulled him and left mom. I think I have 10 that she didn't eat ((at least they are easy breeders)). Pulled her and hatched the eggs left. I wish I was sure my 75g was safe, because my best option is to use it to change water.
My analysis is that my holding tank seems to be in a constant nitrite cycle...either due to the z-lite or just because my water has between .5 and 1.0 ppm nitrite already.
Solution: I have got to have a fully cycled filter on the holding tank. I've always used prime and it is supposed to make the water safe for immediate use. Seems not so much for new fry. Another thing I can do for the time being, I have a fully cycled 10g that I just moved my 9 angle fish fry out of. I can keep adding water to that and use it to add to my fry. ((From holding tank to cycled 10g to fry)). Sorry, I have a lot to do today at work, so my thoughts are all over the place ((and my computer isn't keeping up with my typing...lol)).
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Post by Carl on Sept 2, 2015 9:43:13 GMT -5
My analysis is that my holding tank seems to be in a constant nitrite cycle...either due to the z-lite or just because my water has between .5 and 1.0 ppm nitrite already. This analysis makes sense to me Zeolite, while useful for ammonia control, can prevent an aquarium from fully cycling, especially when used in any volume. As for Prime use, while there is no current evidence that the active ingredient (hydrosulfite salts) have any toxic side effects, I think it is still better to have a healthy bio cycle than to constantly have to add chemicals to keep ammonia toxity artificially low References: www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2007/04/aquarium-water-conditioners.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_dithioniteCarl
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Sept 2, 2015 16:31:14 GMT -5
I agree with the healthy bio cycle Carl. I also love a heavy planted (fast growing) tank. Prime is the only thing I add to my water. I have daphnia, and they don't like salt, but they love fresh fish water. I like adding salt to my water, but it kills of the daphnia , so I've stopped adding it for now so I can grow my daphnia culture again. I'm down to maybe 10 adult daphnia
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jan 25, 2016 14:51:35 GMT -5
I haven't updated in a while because there isn't anything to update. I haven't had a spawn since the last post. One Black Plakat fry lived, and I have a CT fry that lived. I can't remember if it is from the CT spawn in this thread or not. I have set up F1 Red CrownTails and F1 Solid/tri-colored Marble PK, but no spawns with either. I still haven't bypassed the water softener unit (mainly because I forgot how too) for fish water, but other than not breeding, they are all fine. I down sized to just the Red CT and the Marble PK. Daphnia (accidental infestation in a spawn tank ...) are doing ok in the softened water so far. All of these breeders are roughly the same age and they are SMALL. Could this be due to the softener? I have a large Wonder Shell that I can drop into the holding water, but I'm afraid of it adding too much back into the water. I know water will always try to "balance itself", but if I don't use it in a few days, will the WS continue to dissolve?
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Post by Carl on Jan 25, 2016 17:22:12 GMT -5
Lori; Wonder shells can be used in fragments just to had mineral Cations, but not make otherwise drastic changes. The problem arises in that the sodium ions found in softened water will drive out the mineral Cations as fast as they are added. Have you check your GH and KH from your water source? /as for fish size/stunting, I cannot say for sure, but since osmoregulation affects so many aspects of a fish' health, I have to think that a fish is not going to thrive and grow. Here is a short list of functions that are NOT readily carried out in a fish that lives in truly soften water (using sodium) from the Aquarium Chemistry article: * is a vital component in blood clotting systems and also helps in wound healing. * helps to control nerve transmission, and release of neurotransmitters. * is an essential component in the production of enzymes and hormones that regulate digestion, energy, and fat metabolism. * helps to transport ions (electrically charged particles) across the membrane. * is essential for muscle contraction. * assists in maintaining all cells and connective tissues in the body. Reference: Fish Osmoregulation:www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2006/12/how-do-fish-drink.htmlAquarium Chemistrywww.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumKH.htmlCarl
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