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Post by babygeige on Mar 13, 2011 15:35:24 GMT -5
A few weeks ago I bought 4 Harlequin Rasboras. One was dead the next day, but the other 3 have been fine. So today I decided to get some more so I'd have a nice school of them. When I got home, I moved the first 3 to the 50 gallon and immediately Pierre the Angel began chasing them around. I just thought maybe he was curious about them so I didn't think too much of it. Well I just went down to check on them (they were in there for about an hour and a half) and 1 was dead!!  The other two were hiding in the back corner, so I quickly scooped them out and I'm just going to put them back in the QT with the ones I bought today. So now I have 8 Harlequin Rasboras that I'm not quite sure what to do with. I wanted to put them in the 50, but not if Pierre is going to terrorize them. If I put them in the 30 gal, I run the risk of the same thing happening with my other angelfish. I've never seen her terrorize any of the other fish like Pierre did to these HR's, but the other fish in there are a bit bigger than the rasboras. It's possible that the Colombian Tetras killed the rasbora too, but they weren't being as mean as Pierre when I was looking. Do you think they'd be safer if I put all 8 in at the same time, or will I just have a bigger massacre on my hands? |
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Post by parker002 on Mar 13, 2011 19:25:00 GMT -5
I have only 1 Columbian Blue Red Tetra and he's pretty docile. However, my 3 White Skirt Tetras were always docile too - until I put Indian Glass Fish in the tank.
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Post by Carl on Mar 13, 2011 21:51:52 GMT -5
I am sorry this did not work for your Stephanie. I am a bit surprised that your angel would be this aggressive in this size aquarium. I think it is certainly possible that your Colombian Tetras killed the Rasboras, but without witnessing this it is just a guess. A suggestion i have is to add all the Rasboras at the same time, HOWEVER I would introduce them via a Breeder net or maybe even move Pierre too this net for a few days Carl |
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Post by goldenpuon on Mar 14, 2011 9:32:00 GMT -5
I am unsure if this is correct, but maybe Pierre is large enough compared to the tetras to consider them food?
This is only an educated guess since I do not know Pierre's size and have never been in a situation like this.
Renee
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Post by babygeige on Mar 14, 2011 16:37:14 GMT -5
Pierre's not really big enough to eat them. That might not be enough to keep him from trying though!  The angel in the 30 gallon just might be big enough to be able to get half of one of the smaller guys, which is another reason I'm afraid to put them in the 30. Maybe when I'm ready to move them, I'll put Pierre in the 5 gallon for a few days. That would probably be less stressful than the breeder net, but he's still not going to be very happy. Oh well! |
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Post by babygeige on Mar 29, 2011 21:58:30 GMT -5
I've pretty much scrapped the idea of putting harlequin rasboras in my 50 gallon. I started out with 8 of them, and now I'm down to 4. They look perfectly fine, but one by one they are dying. I have noticed that they don't eat much, if at all. I've been doing water changes at least every other day and the water tests fine, so that's not the problem.
Yesterday two of them weren't even bothering to swim around. They were just hanging out at the bottom of the tank. I did another 50% water change and decided to throw in some anti-parasite meds, just in case they have some internal problem. Now they are all swimming around, but there was still very little interest in food. A couple of them seem to try the food, but spit it back out right away. I've tried Aqueon flakes, Spirulina 20, and I tried frozen food yesterday, the "Emerald Entree," which is a blend of stuff that I can't remember. Tomorrow I will try a different frozen food. Hopefully I will find something they will eat before they starve!
If I have any left after a couple more weeks, I'll probably just put the survivors in my 10 gallon with the 2 white clouds, 1 CPD, 1 honey gourami and million RCS. I don't think I'm going to waste any more money on harlequin rasboras for a while.
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Post by Carl on Mar 30, 2011 10:41:32 GMT -5
Have you tried a bath with Metronidazole and Methylene Blue. Both of these "products" are absorbed internally when used in a bath, which with most meds, is a problem in freshwater. I recently got some Rummynose that were quite thin and not eating well, but I performed some of these baths and "so far, so good" except for one I did not notice until too late. Carl |
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Post by babygeige on Apr 1, 2011 17:31:56 GMT -5
I had not tried that. I'll give it a shot tomorrow when I do a water change. I think have 1 medicated wonder shell left as well. I'll throw that in tomorrow as well.
I thought they were doing better, but I lost another one last night. I think I saw two of them eating the last couple of days but I'm not sure.
Thanks Carl! I'll do that tomorrow and let you know what happens!
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Post by babygeige on Apr 9, 2011 18:41:14 GMT -5
The bath and medicine seemed to help. They have a little bit more interest in food. They're not eating consistently, but they are definitely eating more than they have been. And they are a little more active as well.
I'll just have to be patient and hope they continue to progress.
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Post by Carl on Apr 11, 2011 9:23:01 GMT -5
We'll keep our fingers crossed this will work!! Carl |
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Post by babygeige on Apr 17, 2011 18:20:25 GMT -5
And then there were two...
I lost another one the other day. This one became really bloated all of a sudden before it died, which is the first time this has happened. I don't understand what's going on.
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Post by Carl on Apr 17, 2011 20:11:13 GMT -5
And then there were two... I lost another one the other day. This one became really bloated all of a sudden before it died, which is the first time this has happened. I don't understand what's going on. A bloat may indicate gas building up internally which can have many causes. *Internal infection, usually Aeromonas *Bad fish food * Parasites (usually nematodes)*High amounts of organic decomposition can make it easier for Aeromonas infections, as well any fish food that is left uneaten or worse later eaten when partially decomposed can cause this Did you use Metronidazole in the baths? This along with Kanamycin can help with more than one internal infection. Look around for any decomposition under ornaments, rocks, in filters, etc and remove it. I am not say this is the problem (it may be simply genetically weak fish and these infections are 100% opportunistic), but it is best to eliminate even the most remote possibilities. Carl |
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Post by babygeige on Apr 23, 2011 9:26:04 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, I did find a dead one under a rock several days before the bloated one died. I did a few large water changes right after that, but the damage may have been done by that point. I forgot about finding that one. It was kind of gross, so my mind must have blocked it.
The two remaining ones are ok. They seem to be eating. I think I'll do another MB/Metro bath this weekend though, just to be on the safe side.
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Post by babygeige on May 7, 2011 15:57:11 GMT -5
I moved the Harlequin rasboras to my 10 gallon last weekend. They're doing pretty well so far. They're very active and swim around with the White Clouds a lot. In fact, since I added the harequins, the white clouds and the remaining CPD don't spend nearly as much time hiding as they used to. It's become quite an active tank. Here's a short video I took today. I also have a cute little honey gourami in there. She's a busy little fish, always swimming around nibbling on the plants. s123.photobucket.com/albums/o314/babygeige/10%20gallon/?action=view¤t=SDC10834.mp4 |
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Post by Carl on May 7, 2011 17:43:09 GMT -5
Your fish look really nice, as do your lush plants. Also love your Celestial Pearl Danio, these are so pretty! Carl |
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Post by babygeige on May 8, 2011 13:57:04 GMT -5
Thanks Carl. The CPD is a great little fish. It's so nice to see it now. Before I added the rasboras, he would spend most of his time hiding in the back, and only come out to eat and dart back into the plants. The rasboras have been a great addition so far. It's only been a week though, so hopefully it'll last! When stocking permits, I am definitely going to get more CPD's for that tank.
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Post by goldenpuon on May 8, 2011 17:20:44 GMT -5
Great video and setup. Your gourami and rasbora are especially beautiful! XD
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Post by babygeige on May 15, 2011 17:53:21 GMT -5
At this rate, I may be getting CPD's sooner than I thought! I lost another rasbora today, which brings me down to one. This one got really bloated again. Actually I'm not sure if bloated is the right word. It looked kind of like something out of the movie Alien.  It came out of nowhere. I've been keeping a close eye on these guys and noticed it yesterday. I was able to remove the fish to the QT tank before it died, so I didn't have to worry about the shrimp getting to it first. If it's some sort of parasite, I've already contaminated the rest of the fish in the 10 gallon, so I'm just going to have to keep a good watch on this tank. |
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Post by Carl on May 16, 2011 10:00:28 GMT -5
Sorry to read about the continued problems with your Rasboras.
Have any other fish succumbed to this problem?
Hopefully this was just a "bad" batch of Rasoboras from a poorly cared for source.
I can note that I have purchased fish for my business where a whole batch went "belly up" in quick order. Since many fish sold to LFS are not from any one source, it is quite possible that your LFS had no control other than maybe reporting this to their distributor.
If problems like this would persist, I would cease purchasing from certain fish wholesalers (that would buy from breeders with continued issues of this sort).
I would still continue with medicated baths is at all possible just to attempt to isolate this problem.
Carl
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Post by babygeige on May 16, 2011 17:43:03 GMT -5
I've only had those 2 rasboras with this problem. All of the other rasboras just up and died without any symptoms or external signs.
I may be going to the lfs this weekend if they got my new heaters in stock. I'll have to ask them if they've had any issues with their rasboras. They didn't have very many left the last time I was there.
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The angel in the 30 gallon just might be big enough to be able to get half of one of the smaller guys, which is another reason I'm afraid to put them in the 30. 
