Very Upset...

[jonv]

You can also make sure you use some activated carbon in your filter as well to help with medication removal. That should speed things along.

Just to demonstrate something here. Carl and I have figured that Columnaris made it's way into my 180. This is a very odd disease and diseases are not something I am very good at. It gradually got a few of my fish and I was really pissed to be honest. My regular gene Taiwan Reef males went down over a few months, then it got into one of my South American Arowana before I sold that one, then it started showing some body discolorations on many different types of fish.

To make this even more difficult to deal with, Carl pointed out that stress causes acceleration in disease affliction, yet I'd have assumed my Mbuna, which are the types more likely to fight amongst each other, would have a significantly higher stress level, then the Peacocks and Haps which dwell higher in the tank, yet the Peacocks and Haps were all the ones getting afflicted.

I just ran a treatment of Kanaplex with Furan II after over the last six months I've lost about 5 different Africans, mostly my Haps. Now I watch my tank and still see some body fungus/white patches on some of the Mbuna, and a small amount of Peacocks and Haps. I can't seem to figure this out, yet the ones I see that are having some very bad body afflictions, all seem to be very active in the tank and it's not slowing them down.

What to do next is I'll have to isolate and treat fish individually since I treated my whole tank. Sometimes, treating your fish is a long ongoing process, but again, I waited many months with pics and video's to Carl and Bill to figure what to do and what to treat. In the end, as you see, I still haven't been able to really clear the whole tank out so all you can do is work around things as needed. Though afflicted ones do seem to be hanging in there much better, patience will almost always serve you best.

[bikeguy33]

and Renee....IM me and I`ll leave my cell number. I will do whatever i can to help and a direct link might be a great starting point.

[Carl]

Oct 27, 2008 19:05:16 GMT -5 goldenpuon said:

Should I do a water change to remove the nitrates now? It would also remove the medication. Should I do a water change now I just leave everything until the medicane wears off Wednesday?

I would recommend a water change. You can always add the fungus clear back in. BTW, Fungus Clear is nto a very strogn medication, but it is also relatively inert being it is Acriflavin which does not have too many side effects and is safe for nitrifying bacteria.

Carl

[goldenpuon]

Thank you. I woke up early to talk to you guys about this. I'll do a water change to remove the Fungus Clear Carl. I'll also PM you Bikeguy. I'm really sorry fro all this trouble.

Sincerely, Renee

[demfish]

So sorry to hear this Renee Don't be so hard on yourself! We have a great group here, with lots of helpful people! What a brave person...don't think I could have done it. Heck I had a tough enough time doing salt baths on crash

[goldenpuon]

Thank you Demfish. I have not received a PM back from Bill yet. I want to be sure that I should do a water change and not let the medication be in there another day which is would complete the full treatment duration. I don't want another misuderstanding, because as far as the reason I killed my guppy Rena, I thought Carl had said it was septicaemia and it turns out I misunderstood him and it wasn't.

Thanks.

Renee

[goldenpuon]

I've been looking up diseases to se what my fish might have had. There is the link to the pages for what i think is most likely.


www.fish-disease.net/diseases.htm see Then click on the disease to view the page. (Sorry, these disease all seem to share the same URL so you will just ahve o find and lcik on them) Tumors, Ulcer Disease, Black Patches,
Head & Lateral Line Erosion, Septicemia.

My fish's symtoms were swelling of her body, skin erosion, earlier on ulcers, red around the vent, abrasions, and also black spots appearing on her body. Whatever it was, it seemed to only be affecting 1 side of her. the other side looked normal.

The most likely one seems like Ulcer Disease based on the fish's symtoms but it said it was highly contagious and none of my fish have any of the same symtoms Rena did. In fact, her sister who's been with her all through it and catually her whole life never seemed to catch it although once I noticed some pink around where her vent was but that could have just been the lighting.

[jonv]

I think at this point, I'd just let it go Renee. If you aren't seeing the same thing in other fish, just let it go. What could very well happen is this will drive you nuts to figure why did you see this or that in the fish and convince yourself it might have been something it isn't. As many times I will say on YA but would apply here, you usually get best results if you take images and videos of something you see and let others have a look as well. It's hard to even comment or wonder without seeing what is in question.

When I was working on fixing my tank, I did so after many weeks of observations, pictures, videos etc with Carl back and forth. I feel bad I bothered the man for so many things but I only will trust the input of people with far more education and experience then myself because I know all too well the impact of putting meds in a tank. There's a very famous saying that goes with it, I've had told to me by too many fish keepers, many times, the treatment or cure is worse then the affliction and why I very much won't medicate anything until I know as close to 100% as possible if there is something and what it is.

For example, I started getting worried since I had recently ran the dual meds to treat for Colunmaris, and seeing one of the Kenyi I transferred over after it was done, get a very bad case of body rot going. However, I let things be to see how it would progress. The first day or two, it did seem to get worse, and then finally, he's now getting better. I noticed as well, a few other males got spots, and went away again after a few days. Some other males, mostly Mbuna types, now starting to get splits in the dorsal fins and one juvenile Flavus has tail deterioration. I'm not jumping onto a med treatment, and glad I didn't. I conversed with Carl about this, and figured, Columnaris is probably not doing this after the treatments but probably something different which I forget the name. Based on the observations and how things are progressing, the actual best treatment course is just improve the water quality since a med was recently run.

To further confuse this, the female Yellow is holding a very large brood in her mouth too. My logic is always and I think is right, that fish just aren't going to breed for you if your water conditions are very bad. They are just weakend from having a med run in there not too long ago, and water changes more frequently, as Bill has also suggested, are the actual best course of action to reverse this. Nitrates are not lethal outright but a nasty enemy when it comes to fish immune systems. Maybe in your case, you can effectively do a treatment on your tank simply by increasing your water change frequency.

I doubt very much you are going to alter your water chemistry to the point it's going to negatively impact your stock if you say, started doing 10-15% changes daily. If you are already doing that, maybe you just need to move it up to 25% daily, but I'd be shocked if that were the case. Your tank sizes are very very small for one, and your bio loads are not that major. Still, this would lead me to believe this is just an over feeding case if your nitrates are still showing too high. So many angles to look at in this case, I'm concerned you are pushing a panic button Renee. Step back and just observe a little more here, and take some shots.

[brenda]

Oct 27, 2008 18:24:13 GMT -5 brenda said:

Oct 27, 2008 18:07:34 GMT -5 bikeguy33 said:

don`t be so quick to do this Renee.....we may be able to help....btw....very disturbing and graphic image in my head....

I agree Bill. I could flush a fish far before trying to cut it up.... I also agree that next time wait a while. I would rather move them to a seperate tank and let them die naturally, if they are going to die.

Another friend was nice enough to ask me about flushing fish and pointed out how this may sound to others...Let me clarify, I do not flush live fish. I knew what I meant in my head but others may not be in my head to realize what I meant by this. Sorry, if anyone was offended by this. I have only ever flushed dead fish.

[goldenpuon]

It's ok Brenda. I know you wouldn't do that. And believe me, I did a much worse thing tryiong to kill my fish the way I did than you mentioning flushing. Don't worry about it.