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Post by murdock6701 on Nov 15, 2008 18:33:04 GMT -5
still having trouble w/ my last ram - what I thought and treated for ich has not gone away - thought it was fungus - started to spread - a little on the tip of the tail and a few growths of white stuff on his side - used formalin and malachite green per staff suggestions, nothing happened over 3 days - per carl's suggestion added triple sulfa and quick cure which is basically malachite green and foralin - day 2 no progress - have done a 25% water change and removed the carbon from my filter as suggested on the instructions for the triple sulfa - how long before I see results? any suggestions? he swims and eats fine - justs hides a lot.....not what I had in mind when I started this project.....am ready to euthanize him
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Post by Carl on Nov 15, 2008 18:51:12 GMT -5
still having trouble w/ my last ram - what I thought and treated for ich has not gone away - thought it was fungus - started to spread - a little on the tip of the tail and a few growths of white stuff on his side - used formalin and malachite green per staff suggestions, nothing happened over 3 days - per carl's suggestion added triple sulfa and quick cure which is basically malachite green and foralin - day 2 no progress - have done a 25% water change and removed the carbon from my filter as suggested on the instructions for the triple sulfa - how long before I see results? any suggestions? he swims and eats fine - justs hides a lot.....not what I had in mind when I started this project.....am ready to euthanize him Have you given medicated salt/MB baths, these are very helpful for the symptoms you have described. I would recommend at least 3 treatments of Triple Sulfa as well (4-5 sometimes is necessary). Also, carbon is best out for Quick Cure as well. Can you provide a picture? How have your water parameters been? Does this "white stuff" look fuzzy, threadlike (like bread mold) or cauliflower like? The first describes Columnaris best, the second Saprolegnia/fungus. the third Lymphosystis (which is viral and basically non treatable BUT generally goes away on its own. although Usnic acid does have some success for this) Carl |
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Post by murdock6701 on Nov 15, 2008 18:53:11 GMT -5
have no camera anymore - daughter moved out - looks like cotton fluff - like a mold
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Post by Carl on Nov 15, 2008 19:14:34 GMT -5
have no camera anymore - daughter moved out - looks like cotton fluff - like a mold Sorry  That describes fungus/saprolegnia, which is opportunistic and for which you are following a good coarse of action. See Columnaris, Fungus, SaprolegniaSince this is opportunistic, water parameters is also important: stable pH, minerals, even salt in the aquarium (at least for now). A weak fish from other issues (which is what my guess is the root cause) is a major factor in this type of infection. The baths can be very effective for this. The fact that he eats is a very strong positive, as this is important for a weak fish, try and vary his diest as much as possible, I strongly recommend a Spirulina based flake for their natural immune boosting abilities, see this article: Spirulina Algae; The aquatic health benefits for Tropical, Marine and GoldfishCarl |
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Post by murdock6701 on Nov 15, 2008 19:20:05 GMT -5
read the articles long before I posted this to you....LOL - I thought it might be coulmnaris but his mouth is fine - all the articles mention the mouth as well.....seems like I'm following the right course of action - am worried the formalin is gonna whack my 4 yeear old sliver dollar, my hatchets and my rasboras - 1/2 dose for tetras is what the triple sulfa said - I just don't want to lose the whole tank! can't seem to pm you on EA - doesn't recognize "carl"......
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Post by Carl on Nov 15, 2008 20:14:09 GMT -5
read the articles long before I posted this to you....LOL - I thought it might be coulmnaris but his mouth is fine - all the articles mention the mouth as well.....seems like I'm following the right course of action - am worried the formalin is gonna whack my 4 yeear old sliver dollar, my hatchets and my rasboras - 1/2 dose for tetras is what the triple sulfa said - I just don't want to lose the whole tank! can't seem to pm you on EA - doesn't recognize "carl"...... Click on my name to get to my profile and send a PM this way, OR email me. I would use Triple Sulfa FULL strength dispite what the packing says. I understand your concern with the Quick Cure for the other fish. The MB/salt bath is key as well, as it simply nursing back this poor guys immune system BTW, thanks for reading my articles  Carl |
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Post by murdock6701 on Nov 15, 2008 22:08:27 GMT -5
unfortuntely for you, early on,I printed most out a long time ago, not knowing that visits to your site are good for you, but you amaze my w/ your ability to constanly post updates! thanks, will keep you al posted
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Post by goldenpuon on Nov 16, 2008 10:42:50 GMT -5
Good luck Murdock! I wish I knew more about rams and this disease. Good luck. Hope he makes a full recovery.
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Post by Carl on Nov 16, 2008 10:46:11 GMT -5
unfortuntely for you, early on,I printed most out a long time ago, not knowing that visits to your site are good for you, but you amaze my w/ your ability to constanly post updates! thanks, will keep you al posted Thanks John for the compliment! I really hope this goes well for you, but even with this set back, please note that IMO you simply got a poor batch of German Blue Rams, which has happened to me before as well. In fact generally when I have lost them it often has been a whole "batch" in an order I recently received from a supplier/importer (I tried to buy my Rams from local breeders, like I did my angels and Discus, but availability was not reliable from local suppliers) Carl |
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Post by Penycat on Nov 17, 2008 9:24:27 GMT -5
Carl, you're so cool! I jsut had to add that *  John, I'm no help either but to wish you well with the fish. Do you have a little 5 or 10 that you can put him in to med him without meding the other fish? Things like this scare me to death, I kind of freeze when my fish are sick and totally lose heart. I'm glad to see you are still working on the little guy:) |
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Post by brenda on Nov 17, 2008 9:56:49 GMT -5
Sorry, to hear you are still having issue's...I too believe this has got to be a bad batch of fish as you know what your doing when it comes to fish keeping.
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Post by murdock6701 on Nov 17, 2008 10:37:51 GMT -5
thanks all - he doesn't look any better today but he's still eating and swimming - just can't seem to make the moldy lookong poop go away
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Post by Carl on Nov 17, 2008 10:54:27 GMT -5
thanks all - he doesn't look any better today but he's still eating and swimming - just can't seem to make the moldy lookong poop go away Glad he is still hanging in there John. Since he is eating, try soaking foods in vitamins/minerals and feeding high Spirulina based fish food flakes as this will aid in immune boosting (if you have not already). The long "moldy poop" is a sign that he is sick.. Sometimes Metronidazole can help with this problem as can "experimental" Usnea. Carl |
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Post by kagome on Nov 17, 2008 13:40:49 GMT -5
I'm so sorry that you're still having trouble with this ram! I got a bad pair of angelfish that had similar problems once. They died the second day of showing symptoms but luckily everybody else in the tank came through it ok without ever even seeming sick. Hopefully your other fish will be just fine since they have been with you a long time and so have had proper care. Good luck!
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Post by murdock6701 on Nov 17, 2008 14:11:39 GMT -5
thanks all but I really have my doubts w/ this one......have never had any more serious than a few isolated instances of ich, so this is nerve wracking to me!
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