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Post by devonjohnsgard on Nov 4, 2014 10:06:10 GMT -5
Hi, Guys! I've had to discontinue the baths any way. Yesterday, after church, I stopped at the store, where I fell--a case of rug vs. rubber soles. It happened just as I was skirting the shopping carts to get to one I could access. I didn't lose consciousness or anything, but I was a bit dizzy/nauseous immediately after the fall. I had to wait a bit for my head to clear, and the pain to subside a bit before the employees could help me into a chair, to rest up a bit. They even provided a bag of peas for me to put on my knee (the same leg that I broke in my last fall , in 2009). I managed to pick up the things I stopped for, then drove to the ER to be checked out. While I was there I called my Mom to have her come get my milk and her ground turkey since they needed to be refrigerated and I didn't know how long I would be (turned out to be ~2 1/2 hours). oh my I'm sorry this happened. Yes I would do what the doctors says and just rest. It's ok the fishies with have a break from the baths/swabs. Take care of yourself. For the temp, I would think it could come up if there is no sign of illness.
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Post by Carl on Nov 4, 2014 10:13:10 GMT -5
Angelminx; Sorry to read about this terrible fall. i hope/pray your recovery will be speedy with no residual problems and pain Carl
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Post by angelminx on Nov 4, 2014 17:06:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Guys! I'm getting better a little at a time. The only thing really bothering me right now is my left wrist/hand. The both the wrist and hand (fingers included) are swollen today. I can occasionally use the fingers on that hand today (but only when I'm careful), where yesterday, if I even brushed against them you had to scrape me off the ceiling ! I can use my left arm/hand only when held at certain angles. If I'm off on the angle, or turn my arm just a bit, the pain is just as bad as before. It's still almost constant, but not quite as strong. I have a few days to go before I can start writing again. The rest of me only lets me know anything happened if I accidentally bump the injury site. I'm hardly even limping any more. I should be able to continue this post tomorrow...still not quite up to snuff, and trying to catch up on my sleep. Angelminx
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:37:25 GMT -5
Sending prayers Angelmix,
A few years ago, I took a bad fall at a department store. There was melted ice cream on the floor in the main walk way through that store to the rest of the mall. I found the best way to deal with the pain I experienced was to go to the chiropractor. A chiropractor can help with pain in your hands/wrists, too - actually pain in any part of your body.
I tried to get that store to cover some of my expense for the chiropractor. They wouldn't and the excuse was strange. They said the ice cream wasn't melted enough. There was still some unmelted ice cream in the center of the spill. Well... I haven't purchased anything from that store since (unless they "paid" me to shop there -- by giving me a $10.00 coupon and then I only spent the $10.00).... so they did pay after all (smile). I guess they figured out they couldn't entice me to spend more so I haven't received any more $10.00 coupons.
Take care of yourself.... I will pray for your fish, too (smile).
Judy D.
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Post by angelminx on Nov 6, 2014 2:04:32 GMT -5
Thanks, Judy. I'm feeling a lot better today ! I removed the splint from my ankle yesterday evening, because I was walking better and it didn't hurt very much--it just itched so much, and I couldn't scratch it with the splint on . I noticed today that the upper left side of that foot, and around to the ankle, is black and blue. I've also got "a" bruise (in the same place) on the inside lower portion of both legs, just below the knee. On the right leg it continues down and circles under the knee; both that part, and the bruise on the left leg weren't there yesterday. I can hold things a little better with my left hand now, but still can't write with it (I'm left-handed); great for keeping notes on my fish/tanks ! I've also got a crick in my neck now (started yesterday afternoon), that I'm not sure what to do about. I've iced it a few times, but that only works for a while. Otherwise, I should be up to par by this weekend (hope). Angelminx
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Post by angelminx on Nov 7, 2014 1:30:05 GMT -5
As I just noted in my Phantom Mystery thread, I've given a final bath with PP, then a swab with MB for each individual Tetra, followed by observation, so I could cull out the ones that I wanted to try to treat some more from the ones I was going to release back in their tank. I had to try and single out each fish that I didn't think needed any more treatment, so I could make a judgemnet on each, but the one I wanted always managed to get away or have another fish (that I DID NOT want) get into the net with it, so I changed tactics and went for the ones I WANTED to isolate in the breeder net instead. It still took a while. As I caught each one, I swabbed it with MB and released it into another specimen container. When I'd caught all the ones I knew I was going to keep treating, I released them back into the breeder net, and the continued with the rest. So now I've got 1 male and 1 female Phantom held out, and 3 Neons (including 1 definite female) that I was going to treat, and 3 Neons that were questionable.
Tomorrow I'll start with Usnea baths (because of the Phantoms), alternated with Fungus Cure Baths (because a couple of the Neons looked like they still have a bit of whitsh "sticking out" from their sides when viewed from the top.
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Post by angelminx on Nov 25, 2014 0:50:48 GMT -5
I just gave the Black Neons (that are still being held in the breeder net) their 1st treatment with BioBandage. After I finished their last treatment, I had released the Black Phantoms and some of the Black Neons back into the tank. One of the Neons that showed some of the "spots"/splotches managed to get in with them and until it swam into a patch of light I didn't realize it, so I'm leaving him be and will watch him while I treat the others. I have been adding Stress Guard to the tank. The 4 Neons that are still in the breeder net, I gave a series of baths with Usnea once a day for 10 days, at the "brew"/dose Carl recommends (but made with 3 oz. of water and still dosed at 1 Tbsp per quart), and 1/4 tsp aquarium salt. At the same time, in the evening, I gave them a bath with Fungus Cure (and Neoplex and salt), because, even tho "they" were too small to tell for sure, it looked like the whitish splotches were raised on a couple of the fish, so "just in case" fungus might be involved I thought I'd give it a try. I couldn't really tell if there was any difference (since they are so small), but I finished out that treatment series anyway. Since I hadn't ordered the BioBandage yet, I followed up with one more series of baths; there are still a couple days to go on them. In the AM I started a series of baths with Triple Sulfa and salt, followed in the evening by a Basic-Med Bath (MB/Kanaplex/Furan 2/salt), because 2 of them were showing some fin rot on the bottom lobe of their tails (one of them is looking better now, but I don't see much improvement on the female). I also tried swabbing with MB again, but other than at the edge of the fin rot-affected tails there was still no staining (also a small amount on the "fuzz" on the female's chin stained a bit). However when I applied the BioBandage, that did show staining. These are 3 of the early photos I took: (I will continue with some of the other pics...the newest have to be downloaded yet).
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Post by angelminx on Nov 25, 2014 1:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Nov 25, 2014 11:17:54 GMT -5
Angelminx; I would stick with one type of medication treatment for now (other than the bio bandage which is more of "first aid" treatment). In other words do not use Triple Sulfa, rather two of the Kanamycin/Furan 2 baths.
The way the infection is "eating" into the side of your fish as shown in the top view picture is definitely a concern. Increasing the amount of salt MAY help
A stronger bath or even swab with Hydrogen Peroxide or even Potassium Permanganate may be required if the fish do not show progress
Carl
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Post by angelminx on Nov 25, 2014 18:00:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. They didn't get their AM bath today (the 3-S)because I was gone most of the day. Would you double the salt for them (1 qt bath) from 1/4 to 1/2 tsp salt, or would less/more be better? I was a little wary of using PP or HP since the sore is so close to the gills. Here are a few more pics. The 2nd and 3rd ones are of the female: I never could get her to pose for me, she always wants to face wrong, then when I nudge her with the net handle to reposition her, by the time I get the camera ready, she's moved again !
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Post by angelminx on Nov 25, 2014 18:06:08 GMT -5
Here are some "group photos": You can see the fin rot on the female's tail in these. As I mentioned before, the other one with the fin rot seems much better now.
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Post by angelminx on Nov 25, 2014 18:16:35 GMT -5
In this group of pics, the (?) male has a bit of a raised "bump" where the whitish splotch on his side is. It's hard to see, because of the bubbles under the container (it doesn't take them long to regather after I wipe them off ,when the water is lower after a series of baths), and it always seems like there's one right where I'm trying to focus. It may be a little easier to see, if more blurred, in the larger of the close-ups. And, again, it's right where the bubble in the center of the shot is ! When I went back and checked it, the 3rd photo doesn't enlarge like it does on the camera, there it's mush easier to see, because the whole picture displays larger. Sorry about that .
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Post by angelminx on Nov 25, 2014 18:27:18 GMT -5
This 1st one is a close-up of the previous picture, focusing on the head...I just thought it looked really cool on the camera: This one shows ("3" of) them together. There are less bubbles in this one, but the fish on the right is not the one I've been trying to get a close up of the "bump" on his flank:
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Post by angelminx on Nov 27, 2014 3:00:12 GMT -5
I have another shot of the male that I somehow missed making a close-up of, so I will try to remember to get it done for the next download. In the meantime, here's one that did get done (just not as good as the other one should be): This is a pic of the female I just took: If it enlarges correctly when clicked on, you should be able to see the sore much better. As I mentioned in Hikari Bio Bandage post, it looks better after one application. I did 2 more (one after each Basic-Med Bath with 1/2 tsp salt). I can't really tell any difference with the whitish "spots"/splotches on all the Neons. Unfortunately, this evening after their bath, one of the males flipped onto the floor as I was applying the BB. I couldn't find him for a while, but when I did, I put him back into the bath container for a while; then I reapplied some BB, then (with a Seachem dropper) I "poured" StressGuard all over him and released him back into the Breeder Net.
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Post by angelminx on Nov 27, 2014 3:26:21 GMT -5
I'm posting 3 pictures of the female, here (all that were taken at different times). 1) Downloaded 11/22/2014 (I don't remember when it was actually taken): 3) Downloaded 11/26 (taken the same day): 2) [Above]: Downloaded 11/25 (so taken after 11/22). The 3rd shot was taken the 2nd day after the 1st application of Hikari Bio Bandage, and before the 2nd application.
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Post by angelminx on Nov 28, 2014 4:40:33 GMT -5
Well, when I checked the guys before their bath this morning, I couldn't see any damage to any of the "males", so I'm guessing yesterday's escapade didn't hurt the poor little guy too badly...and/or the Bio Bandage and the StressGuard counteracted any damage done. This morning after their bath, tho, when I was in the process of applying the BB to each of them, one of the males (? the same one) was tangled in the net (a soft, fine-weaved brine shrimp net). Actually, what happened is they are so small that the net sometimes sticks "closed" around their bodies, and I have to "peel" it away from them. Anyway, as I was doing that, I was holding him in the BS net over the breeder net with one hand--at the same time I tried to loosen the net from around him--with a damp paper towel in my other hand, waiting to rest him on while applying the BB, and he went into his acrobatics routine. [Unlike my angels who are big enough to get a grip on, these guys are so small that it's harder to control them.] The result: he flipped/jumped from above the breeder net, over the bath container, and into the tank on the other side ! He probably covered 12" in that "horizontal" launch ! Of course, I was unable to catch him again . So now there are 3. I was planning on doing a water change tomorrow after (actually during) their bath, so they would not be left high and dry in their breeder net as the "tide" goes out. Then possibly releasing them back into the tank, since I can't figure out what to do for the "spots"/splotches. Unless, Carl, you think I should continue a bit longer since I only, the other day, dropped the Triple Sulfa and changed to 2 Basic-med baths a day. Should I give them 2 baths before releasing them? That would make it 3 full days of Kanamycin/Furan 2 (plus 1/2 tsp salt and the MB). Tomorrow is the last scheduled day for their baths if I go by when I 1st started this treatment series. Angelminx
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:15:08 GMT -5
Hi Angelminx,
It may be stressing the fish out a bit doing all of the bath treatments and Bio Bandage. Maybe after a water change in the display tank - release the fish and just use Melafix and Stress Guard in the display tank and see how things go?
I did go back and looked at all of your photos.... I have one hi-fin cory that had spots similar to what your Black neons have/had. Netting him out would be near impossible as all four are the same size and they are so good at banding together. Usually, the only way to net a cory cat is to remove the decor (which isn't that hard since I have fake plants). I just used Stress Guard and a natural treatment..... no more spots on my cory cat. Of course, my cory cat could had something totally different....hard to tell.
Judy
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Post by angelminx on Nov 29, 2014 1:35:44 GMT -5
I finally got that picture resized as I promised. This 1st one shows as "PC" on the camera, so it will probably not enlarge as much when clicked on: This is the "smaller" enlargement; the raised spot(s) in the middle are on the fish's flank, not air bubbles below the container: I accidentally deleted the original photo when I was making the enlargements...I zoomed in for a close-up as high as it would go (10 mm) to see what the resulting picture size would display as then when I went to click on "OK" to find out, I bumped the delete button (and instead of only reversing the changes, it deleted the original, too). I did release them after their treatment this morning, and they are all happily swimming together again .
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Post by angelminx on Nov 29, 2014 1:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by angelminx on Nov 29, 2014 2:04:25 GMT -5
This one was taken in the specimen container (the lower 2 spots are not on her): These next 2 I made close-ups of 2 of the shots (If you think it would help, I made an even closer one of the last shot): Any ideas what might have caused this? I did notice Angelminx picking at her a couple of days ago, but it was very gentle ! I did place some BioBandage on it (I am now down to a little less that 1/4 of a "fish" worth), but was hoping for some suggestions. [Reminder: I do have a Vecton 2--the bulb is due to be changed in January. I also did a 9 gallon water change today (55G).] Angelminx
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