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Post by richiero on Oct 15, 2014 22:29:37 GMT -5
Hello my name ia Richie, So far i decided on the tmc 400 15 watt for my 75g reef tank with a 32 gallon sump. sump dems are 32L x 16 1/2D x 14 tall i just want to know if i have the rest of my equipment that i need. 1. i have a dc 3000 jeabo pump laying around doing nothing flow rate from 230gph to 780gph with a max head of 8.8 feet. 2. have a boat load of 3/4 and 1/2 tubing 3. going to buy an extra bulb up front ( is that wise how long of a shelf life do they have?) 4. do i need a pre filter on my pump ? now for my set up it will be run under my aquarium via my sump with fuge. my fuge consist of 2 drains coming from the display one goes to the drain section the other is a slow flow drain to the fuge area. my plan is supply the uv with the dc 3000 pump which will be located in the ret section of the sump which is the last chamber in my sump so all filtration comes 1st. the i am going to run the outlet hose as close as possible to the inlet of my waveline dc return pump which does 1056 gph. other flow in the tank is supplied by a mp10 and a mp 40. what do you guys and girls think? pic of layout lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qFMhIcJwy2Q/VD87Yczz5jI/AAAAAAAABAA/qBFOFPQ2elk/w426-h318-no/sumpuvmod.jpg |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Oct 16, 2014 9:41:39 GMT -5
First, welcome to the group! Glad to have you here. This is a great place for people to learn from each other. While my knowledge of a UV in the sump is next to nothing... cause I have not done it. I think your on the right track. I just want to make sure I understand, but based on your picture, is the pump supplying water to the UV being pulling in and the outlet in the same area of the fuge. Like a loop right at the end before the water goes back into the tank. I wonder how well this will work or is there a possibility the sterilized water will keep being looped? I guess another way to ask it is the pump for the sterilizer, in the same place as the return pump to the display? I just making sure the sterilized water is not just being looped in the fuge. Looks like you have a nice set-up... and the pump, with tubing. Other flow in the tank looks good. Bulbs on the sterilizers are suggested to changed out every six months for best results. "you want to change the UV bulb every 6 months for disease prevention or once every year at the beginning of the growing season for green algae prevention. You want to clean the quartz sleeve at this time too (using acetone). With a simple model without a quartz sleeve, you just throw away the dirty bulb." www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumUVSterilization.htmlPrefilter water is a must for the sterilizer. If your fuge is doing it that would be good. You are just not wanting anything that could build-up in the sterilizer. Over time, this will make it less effective. "the UV Sterilizer is best placed AFTER a filter so as to remove as much particulates from the water column as possible (the UV Unit is also best placed on the exhaust/return form a filter so as to allow maximum nitrifying bacteria accumulation in a bio filter)" www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumUVSterilization.html#transmittanceHope this helps. Thanks again for joining. Let us know if we can help more. Picture of your set-up are great! |
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Post by Carl on Oct 16, 2014 9:43:38 GMT -5
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Post by richiero on Oct 16, 2014 12:05:12 GMT -5
good morning guys, thank you for the info guys, Carl i was reading were you say i should put the pump supplying the uv in the skimmer/ drain section of my sump( far left) and not the return section (far right) correct? see from the reading i was under the impression that you wanted the water to pass through the filter part of the sump before going into the uv that's why i was putting it in the return section of the sump. The middle was never an option for me that's where the uv will be hanging on the outside of the sump. The middle portion of the sump "the Refuge" has and inch of sand rubble rock and chaeto, with prob 1000's of pods. So left side of sump no prefilter does this pic show the optimal set up new? And that dc pump has a controller to adjust flow. For the price they seem very reliable my friend has one on his 400g reef for over a year with no problems. I will have the return of the uv in very close proximity to the ret pump inlet. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103154583761543638750/albums/6070844379196620449/6070844383661355794 |
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Post by Carl on Oct 16, 2014 14:05:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I got this backwards. Yes the pump should return back from the right side of your sump (the Return Section) Your sump design looks good, but the pre-filtration aspect of UV Sterilization is very important; whether it be at the pump prior to entry to the UV or as the water enters the sump, either way works as long as it gets out most particulates. Here is a very basic sump suggestion from our Saltwater Set Ups article"  Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Saltwatersetup.htmlAs per your pump, my suggestion was based on a couple of professionals as well as a distributor of products that include Jebao; they simply have noted poor head pressure and a higher than normal failure rates over many pumps used. I personally have not used any of their pumps just based on their trusted advice. Carl |
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Post by richiero on Oct 16, 2014 14:57:31 GMT -5
OK here is what i am understanding, separate supply pump is being placed in the return section of my sump the very last chamber (far right) for the uv. It will pull the water from there and supply the UV, once the water goes through the uv process the uv will return the water back into the return section via the tubing . the tubing will be in close proximity to the return pump main inlet where the clean water will be returned via the primary return pump. your pic confused me some b/c there are no chambers or baffles in it lol is this pic showing a correct setup lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZYJDEUJNEcM/VEAh6MBiovI/AAAAAAAABCE/6GPffgxjxGw/w426-h318/sumpmod3.jpg |
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Post by richiero on Oct 16, 2014 17:31:54 GMT -5
this might be closer in terms of sump layout the only differences are that i am not supplying the uv off the main return and cant run the uv line straight to my display i have a canopy on it and i am not notching or drilling holes in it. www.americanaquariumproducts.com/images/graphics/uvsump.jpg |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Oct 16, 2014 18:02:44 GMT -5
OK here is what i am understanding, separate supply pump is being placed in the return section of my sump the very last chamber (far right) for the uv. It will pull the water from there and supply the UV, once the water goes through the uv process the uv will return the water back into the return section via the tubing . the tubing will be in close proximity to the return pump main inlet where the clean water will be returned via the primary return pump. your pic confused me some b/c there are no chambers or baffles in it lol is this pic showing a correct setup lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZYJDEUJNEcM/VEAh6MBiovI/AAAAAAAABCE/6GPffgxjxGw/w426-h318/sumpmod3.jpgFollowing the conversation here. If the intake back up to the display is all the way on the right, the pump to the UV should be on the left side or in the middle. Having the pump be on the right for the uv and the return from the uv on the right also will create a loop, which you don't want. Water couldn be pulled through the sterilizer more than once before maybe going up to the display. You want all water going through the uv to go up to the display. |
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Post by richiero on Oct 16, 2014 18:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Oct 16, 2014 18:48:12 GMT -5
Two thumbs up from me.  No loop! |
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Post by richiero on Oct 16, 2014 19:23:06 GMT -5
thx Devon, and Carl you stated this "If placed in the middle( aka fuge area), I would suggest a pre-filter equipped pump with the UV out of the sump (it is not submersible). so now that my supply pump is going in the drain / skimmer section i can go w/o a pre filter. i did read your pre filter links how often to you have to clean those pre filters and when they start to clog will they reduce flow? i just don't want another thing i gave to maintain/clean  |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Oct 17, 2014 9:23:12 GMT -5
thx Devon, and Carl you stated this "If placed in the middle( aka fuge area), I would suggest a pre-filter equipped pump with the UV out of the sump (it is not submersible). so now that my supply pump is going in the drain / skimmer section i can go w/o a pre filter. i did read your pre filter links how often to you have to clean those pre filters and when they start to clog will they reduce flow? i just don't want another thing i gave to maintain/clean Since the left side is right where the display flows into the fuge?... I would still recommend a prefilter. If there's a high bio-load in the tank I would even go with a bigger sponge. There is not filtration before going into the sump right? The pump going down to the sump has no prefilter? I would just recommend trying to make the water as clean and clear as possible before going into the UV. I have mine going through a sand filter first, then into the UV. If the water is somewhat filtered before going into the sump, you would be ok. Depending on the size and sponge, you could go anywhere between 1 week to maybe 4-5 weeks between having to clean the sponge. It's just a good idea to have a regular maintenance of the sponge, since it gathers a high about of bio in it. Cleaning it out helps keep your Nitrates low and good bacteria low high. |
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Post by richiero on Oct 17, 2014 9:35:41 GMT -5
i do have the ability to put a filter sock over the drain. but i will probably get a pre filterer for the pump also and see which method i like better.
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Post by parker002 on Oct 17, 2014 10:01:39 GMT -5
A good, coarse pre-filter like a Filter Max (I believe this is now called the HydroSponge PRO) won't inhibit flow too much, even when it's pretty dirty. Also doesn't have to be cleaned all that often either, in my experience. Just make sure you get the coarse sponge and not the actual ATI HydroSponge, which is much finer pores and will clog quickly. |
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Post by richiero on Oct 17, 2014 12:20:03 GMT -5
this one?
Hydro Sponge Filter #5 PRO - $12.29
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Post by parker002 on Oct 17, 2014 12:31:01 GMT -5
That looks like the one that used to be called the Filter Max, yes. Carl will have to confirm, I've never bought that one specifically.
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Post by Carl on Oct 17, 2014 15:45:41 GMT -5
The Hydro Sponge #5 Pro is a free standing sponge filter as per our Sponge Filter Page or Sponge Filtration article, but i can be adapted for use attached to a pump. Better would be the Filter Max #3 or for a the same large coarse reticulated sponge filter material, the Hydro Pond #3 would work as these along with the #4 are simply very large Filter Max Pre-Filters Here is a snip from the article I provided earlier in this thread dealing with Sponge Filter use in sumps (Saltwater Aquarium Set Ups): The Sump to the left is another very simple sump method that uses premium Hydro Sponge Filters and Pre-Filters.
This set up includes a Hydro Pond #4 (this filter is excellent for high capacity aquarium systems), and the intake consists of a Filter Max #3.
Live Rock, Matrix, and/or volcanic rock can and should be added around the sponge filter pick up for added de-nitrification.
Finally this set up can include a Protein Skimmer in the sump (which can have an added ozonizer for even better efficiency) and a UV Sterilizer such as the TMC Vecton UV to the outflow.
Please Click to Enlarge.Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Saltwatersetup.htmlFurther Resources:*Hydro Pond Filters: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Hydropondfilter.html*Filter Max Pre-Filters (smaller sponges, but the Filter Max #3 is still a high flow sponge): www.americanaquariumproducts.com/PreFilter.html*Sponge Filtration, All about the use of Sponge Filters in aquariums: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/sponge_filtration.htmlCarl |
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Post by parker002 on Oct 17, 2014 15:54:28 GMT -5
Looks like I was on the wrong page! It's definitely the Filter Max #3. I have both the #3 and the #2 and the sponge material is completely different. |
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Post by richiero on Oct 17, 2014 16:35:13 GMT -5
thx parker,
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No loop!
