betta fins when spawning

[danny]

when breeding bettas,is there a technique to minimize or avoid the damage of betta fins?..i know it is normal for both fins to be damaged,but i've seen this videos of half moon spawning and their fins are not in any way damage at all!!..i lost the link to the video.i'll keep searching.
i have this long finned female,when i breed her,she would always end up with barely anal fins.i haven't spawn her,and it took 2 months for her to recover and grow her long fins again.

[Suzie Q (Lori)]

Damage fins are part of spawning Betta. The only fish that I have ever owned or seen spawn with little or no damage to the fins. It is up to the fish as to how much damage he/she takes. Some female will not spawn unless they are beat "to death"...if the male is not aggressive enough for this female, she will kill him...vice-versa...some males will not spawn unless they beat the female up...or he gets beat up a bit.

It is hard to tell...i have a pair that beat each other up and still NO spawn

AS for your girl...Indian Almond Leave spa is a good regrowth supplement(?) to add to the water. I have Atisons Betta Spa (which is IAL consentrated). I also use Pimafix and Medafix (please correct the spelling). Carl or others can probably offer different meds for this also. Good Luck with your breeding.

Search online for a Betta Breeder/Club in your area...I KNOW there is 1 I just cant remember the name of it.

Lori

[Carl]

I would like to point out while Atisons Spa is a good product; I think a lot of hype has gone into this products popularity. I think the use of straight Indian Almond leaves or products such as Bio Lif (which I found out about through my Asian breeder friends) along with products such as Wonder Shells that add constant positive mineral ions is a better way to deal with this than with Atisons's Spa

Please see this article (in the Amazon River Water Section)
Aquarium GH, KH, pH, Calcium & Chemistry

please pardon me if I am coming across as grumpy, I just sometimes find myself scratching my head about Spa based on both what I know and what others in the industry have told me.

Carl

[goldenpuon]

I second Suzie Q. In my experience breeding bettas, fin damage just doesn't happen. Unless you have completely un-aggressive bettas, they will tear their fins. However, if you have a lot of hiding places and a large tank, injury can be minimized.

[danny]

thank you guys!!here is a photo of her..









will i get a delta if i spawned her with a veil too?or what about with a plakat?

[goldenpuon]

She is beautiful and also has vertical bars (breeding stripes.) This is quite interesting too because I have never seen a long finned female betta. She definitely has characteristics of a female except for her elongated body and absence of an egg spot (which probably isn't visible due to her position in the pictures.) Thanks for posting.

The fish damage does not look that bad. I have seen much worse. Good luck spawning her!

[danny]

Sept 17, 2009 14:15:55 GMT -5 goldenpuon said:

She is beautiful and also has vertical bars (breeding stripes.) This is quite interesting too because I have never seen a long finned female betta. She definitely has characteristics of a female except for her elongated body and absence of an egg spot (which probably isn't visible due to her position in the pictures.) Thanks for posting.

The fish damage does not look that bad. I have seen much worse. Good luck spawning her!

there are actually alot of elongated bodied fermales here..most also have longer than normal fins..
actually,2 monts ago,she has barely anal fins left..that's why no spawning for her for 2 months.maybe she really is gravid.even without a male,she shows her bars then 1 time she released eggs after building a mini bubble nest. ;D

[Suzie Q (Lori)]

Sept 15, 2009 15:57:28 GMT -5 Carl said:

I would like to point out while Atisons Spa is a good product; I think a lot of hype has gone into this products popularity. I think the use of straight Indian Almond leaves or products such as Bio Lif (which I found out about through my Asian breeder friends) along with products such as Wonder Shells that add constant positive mineral ions is a better way to deal with this than with Atisons's Spa

Please see this article (in the Amazon River Water Section)
Aquarium GH, KH, pH, Calcium & Chemistry

please pardon me if I am coming across as grumpy, I just sometimes find myself scratching my head about Spa based on both what I know and what others in the industry have told me.

Carl

Carl...I totally agree with you...I use it ONLY for the color it gives my water. I have 2 friends that have been breeding Betta for a LONG time and they have helped A&M (I think ) do studies and they have found that dried Oak Leaves (not sure if there is a difference in the different trees...and NOT live oaks) have better healing properties then IAL do. I just like my water almost "coffee" colored. I am extremely lazy and the Spa takes out ALL the work of drying the leaves myself (oak leaves)..then boiling them...then cooling the water...Atison's is easy for me to get..or it used to be.

When I place my next order with you i'll get some Bio Lif (add it to my order if I forget ...I don't mind trying it...maybe sway too


danny...if you had not seen eggs yourself I would have said Male! Wow!!! What a beauty!!! Don't quote me but from what I understand...long bodied/long finned females are due to out-crossing with a wild betta. I don't remember what type (course on the info on the internet is not always correct).

Renee...having too many hiding places is the main reason I like my water DARK...the way I look at it is NATURE...how clear is the water that a wild betta is in anyway? I don't think it is crystal clear...i figure it is dark and murky...if I can't see the female when she is just a few inches away from the nest...neither can he...she can observe him building the nest and when she is ready she will approach the nest for closer inspection...he can court and if he gets too aggressive she can retreat into the plants in the far back corner...then when he is back working on the nest...she can again come back to a safe distance and watch. I have had more successful spawns this way. To give an example...I have my pair set up in a 2.5 with "yellow" water. They tried for 6hrs and never got a good wrap and she never released eggs...he got tired and frustrated and beat her into hiding again...I turned the lights out last night so she could come up for air. If the water was darker... (just fyi to WHY i do it that way )

[goldenpuon]

Thanks for the tips Suzie. I agree that dark water would be best for breeding since it is more natural.

I realize I made a typo in my last post. I said, "In my experience breeding bettas, fin damage just doesn't happen." I meant "In my experience fin damage seems to almost always happen when breeding bettas." I'm not sure if you saw it or not.