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Post by danny on Jun 27, 2009 20:44:04 GMT -5
i have this female betta with longer fins than common females.in fact,in the store,anyone can think it's a male.i have bred her and she produced a lot of eggs.
i am wondering,is her long fins a good or "rare" quality or is just a proof of old age?
and also,what colors can produce black bettas? ;D
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Post by goldenpuon on Jun 28, 2009 9:21:19 GMT -5
Long fins are not a sign of old age. It is probably a sign though that she has a mutation that caused her to have long fins like a male.
I am not sure what colors produce black bettas. Sory I couldn't help you there.
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Post by danny on Jun 30, 2009 7:10:08 GMT -5
i have seen another female with long fins in LFS the other day!...
if she is not old then she may produce longer finned veil males?
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Post by goldenpuon on Jun 30, 2009 15:00:01 GMT -5
She might produce long finned female bettas. I am not sure if she'd produce male offspring with longer fins.
Maybe Suzie Q, Penycat, or Bettachris can help you more with this. They have more experience breeding bettas than me.
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jun 30, 2009 15:02:42 GMT -5
Danny,
There are long finned females. It is a fault in the show world but is good for the breeder. It is not a sign of old age. I had a very young female with long fins. Veils are being allowed back into the IBC but they have yet to set standards on them. I just got through with the 2009 IBC Convention (my club "Texas Betta Society" hosted it) with over 483 fish entered (I am still trying to recoop!!!)..there were no Veils.
Good luck with your girl!
Lori
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Post by danny on Jul 1, 2009 4:28:16 GMT -5
Danny, There are long finned females. It is a fault in the show world but is good for the breeder. It is not a sign of old age. I had a very young female with long fins. Veils are being allowed back into the IBC but they have yet to set standards on them. I just got through with the 2009 IBC Convention (my club "Texas Betta Society" hosted it) with over 483 fish entered (I am still trying to recoop!!!)..there were no Veils. Good luck with your girl! Lori aah..i see.so in terms of quality,it is not much of a good thing?..and never thought that veils are not qualified for shows. |
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Post by danny on Jul 1, 2009 4:39:03 GMT -5
Danny, There are long finned females. It is a fault in the show world but is good for the breeder. It is not a sign of old age. I had a very young female with long fins. Veils are being allowed back into the IBC but they have yet to set standards on them. I just got through with the 2009 IBC Convention (my club "Texas Betta Society" hosted it) with over 483 fish entered (I am still trying to recoop!!!)..there were no Veils. Good luck with your girl! Lori uhm,do you know what colors will produce black bettas? |
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Post by danny on Jul 6, 2009 8:12:09 GMT -5
if i pair up my long finned female with a veil male,will i get super veils?
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jul 6, 2009 12:08:26 GMT -5
Posted by danny on Jun 27, 2009, 8:44pm
i have this female betta with longer fins than common females.in fact,in the store,anyone can think it's a male.i have bred her and she produced a lot of eggs.
i am wondering,is her long fins a good or "rare" quality or is just a proof of old age?
and also,what colors can produce black bettas? ;D
Not really sure...I spawned a black copper to a red and got marbles....mine were Halfmoons though. Sry...can't answer this one. if i pair up my long finned female with a veil male,will i get super veils? This is a hard call...according to what HE carries...you should get VT with nice fins. Most VT come from "puppy mills"...fish are thrown together..spawned..grown out and then classified into "colors"... You can breed these fish...and if you are REALLY wanting to help the VTs...go to the IBC website (ibc.org I think) and look at breed standards for all the fish...use the ones that ALL fish must have and go from there...like I said earlier...there is no standard for VT anymore...BUT all fish have to have the same basic shape and such... Hope that helps a little  Lori
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Post by danny on Jul 7, 2009 9:04:25 GMT -5
thank you very much.i will check the address.
uhm,i have another question.plakats are not available here in our area,or even in philippines i think.but last week,among the veils(very very common here),i saw this male whom i thought was a female.then it flashed at me thinking, "hey,could this one be a plakat phenotype?"..so i bought it.and to confirm it's a male,i put it beside a gravid female,and whatta you know,it displayed and made a bubble nest!..so,can this male carry a plakat genes?can i produce some plakats from him??i really hope so... ;D
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jul 7, 2009 9:50:11 GMT -5
DANNY!!! You found a Plakat!!!
Cross with your female but your F1 will be long finned PKs with some VT mixed in...from your F1 chose the ones with the shortest fins (especially the female) and breed those...from their fry (F2) again choose the best/shortest finned sibling pair and cross those...by F3 you should have some pretty good looking PK (if my genetic calculations are correct). You are choosing the shortest fins because the longer fins are VT and you are wanting to cross the ones with the stronger PK genes.
Lori
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Post by danny on Jul 8, 2009 22:54:13 GMT -5
REALLY???..ALRIGHT!!!
ok ma'am,i'll pair him up with the shortest finned female i have..WOW! i am excited!!...
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jul 9, 2009 13:14:32 GMT -5
Good luck...if you want to start with good Betta Stock. At least 5 IBC breeders are in the Philippines. Don't know their names or what they breed though ...just remember hearing about them. If you contact ibcbettas.org (I think)...they may be able to get it to you...if you join the IBC for $20-$25 you can get a free pair of Betta (not supposed to request type or color but never hurts) for just shipping... |
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Post by danny on Jul 12, 2009 9:36:43 GMT -5
Good luck...if you want to start with good Betta Stock. At least 5 IBC breeders are in the Philippines. Don't know their names or what they breed though ...just remember hearing about them. If you contact ibcbettas.org (I think)...they may be able to get it to you...if you join the IBC for $20-$25 you can get a free pair of Betta (not supposed to request type or color but never hurts) for just shipping... maybe someday i'll join IBC..  uhm,what else can you feed betta fry in there early/small stage?.. before i raise betta fry using natural method.after spawning,i move them to a planted barrel/container and let nature takes it's course.i leave them for a month before i check them again.i usually get a small number of fry. then,i learned how to culture infusorias,or often,i just breed the pair directly in the tank with green water(filled with green single celled algaes),this gave me higher survivability.and sometimes,i use brine shrimp(sera artemia mix pouch only,can't afford the canned brines),. but now,it's rainy season here,so all my green waters are disappearing,so,what other food can you suggest so that i can have higher number of fry?can i use powdered foods(sera micron) in their 1st days/weeks? |
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jul 13, 2009 8:56:42 GMT -5
If you can find them you can use Vinegar Eels. Baby Brine shrimp are GREAT so continue with those. Also if you are very careful you can boil and egg and then freeze the egg yolk and use small amounts of that to feed (like scrape the frozen yolk and feed that tiny amount. You have to change the water often though. Grindals (small white worms) are also a great food for 2week old fry (if they are big enough). I gut load mine with food from Carl. I never can remember how to spell it though (spirulina?) flakes. Grows awesome babies!!! |
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Post by Carl on Jul 13, 2009 9:04:56 GMT -5
I will add that I have used the egg yoke method to feed many small fish fry. The reason is many of the fry I have raised over the years were technically not mine, but a client's. However these clients often did not want to bother with raising live foods and this was often the compromise. BTW, I changed your spelling for spirulina fish food Suzie-Q (thanks for the plug too)  Carl |
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jul 14, 2009 15:30:29 GMT -5
I will add that I have used the egg yoke method to feed many small fish fry. The reason is many of the fry I have raised over the years were technically not mine, but a client's. However these clients often did not want to bother with raising live foods and this was often the compromise. BTW, I changed your spelling for spirulina fish food Suzie-Q (thanks for the plug too) Carl Thanks Carl...you would think that by now I could spell it LOL!!! I am only telling the truth...my fry grew much faster on the grindals that were gut loaded with it...and healthier too!!! |
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Post by danny on Jul 17, 2009 9:01:48 GMT -5
wow!i wish i could have some of those...uhmm,say i ordered one,how much would it cost me?including shipping?
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