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Post by jonv on Oct 6, 2008 15:09:09 GMT -5
John(8) I probably should have added this but, the only thing that made me not consider that is that the group was in the 100 for almost all their life, a good 2.5 months of their 4 months of age, and I never saw any marks on the body until I moved them over to the 180, and in that tank, I'd lost the older male Protomelas Steveni, my whole group of Boreyli's, and the Female Nimbo.
I'd pointed out to Carl when I spoke with him, that the one thing all these have in common are Haps, and to me, I'd have expected the opposite on the stress where in the case of a 180, most of the time, the Haps are much higher in the water column then the Mbuna go, and Mbuna are usually, more aggressive then the Haps. Combine that with the males of the Mbuna fighting among each other for their own spot, I'd have expected the Mbuna to be more susceptible to stress then the Haps, but it didn't turn out that way.
That's the reason why I'm suspecting those marks to be Columnaris related and not aggressor/submissive related. The adults in the tank are rather large, and I'd rule out this comming from an adult since an adult could probably eat them whole. I might be wrong with that logic so please feel free to state otherwise if I'm wrong on anything. I'm kind of guessing here, but given the others that have died over time in the tank, I think I can narrow down why too. ONE time, I gave the group some feeder fish. I know I shouldn't have but the 75 gallon tank has the Dat and he will only eat live fish, but never seems to be any disease or deaths in that tank. I decided back in May to let the group have some feeders, and bang, in the next three months, lost five adult Haps.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Oct 6, 2008 15:59:36 GMT -5
that is a bizzare malformation on the jaw John. does it affect his eating or breathing....?
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Post by jonv on Oct 7, 2008 2:11:55 GMT -5
John (8) I think Bill was talking about the Bythobate Tilapia, since we were talking about the Mbuna in the what are these thread, I can see how that's confusing. I have that one Tilapia Bythobate, and I mentioned to Bill before, there is this bone that sticks out of his jaw, very much looks like a pimple from long distance, but I figured out, this fish has a malformed jaw, and a part of the bone juts out of it. Hard to capture a high quality image of it.
I'd been asking Bill about this last month, since Bill ships Tilapia's from a store up in Canada, and has a bit of experience with Tilapia. Heck anyone that might know if this is something I should isolate him from the group, that would be good to know.
Bill as far as I can see, this fish still keeps active in the group, and gets enough food. It doesn't seem to really fear anyone and is starting to get darker like the others. I have to also say, this is a discovered draw back to keeping a species not much is known about. You're kind of on your own to figure some things out. I know it's many months down the road, but I am leaning towards keeping this one fish in a different group. If this is a genetically defective fish, I don't want this fish to breed and pass that on. Was first time I bought these from a first time seller to me. They had good feedback, and maybe the guy was just trying to sell off the last of the group. I got a free clump of moss with the fish and a pile of algae discs to help feed them too. I have to say I don't detect any malicious intent on that seller, maybe just an oversight to mention one bad fish. That outjut on the jaw though, it's a sore sight to look at, that's for sure. It appears, this species changes to orange/red as they mature.
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Post by 8 in the Corner on Oct 7, 2008 8:24:31 GMT -5
John (8) I think Bill was talking about the Bythobate Tilapia, since we were talking about the Mbuna in the what are these thread, I can see how that's confusing. Jon, That is very strange because I realized my mistake in posting that answer when I reread it and deleted it. Now it is back in the string......
It is gone now, I think.... John
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Post by bikeguy33 on Oct 7, 2008 21:18:17 GMT -5
I didnt mean to confuse everything....saw the pic in this thread and i didnt realize there was already another page on this one. it seemed very out of place out of the blue like that. my apologies....
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Post by jonv on Oct 10, 2008 17:22:00 GMT -5
Dosing of the 180 with Kanaplex and Furan II complete and supplimenting that with double Medicated Shells. I'm still observing some fish with white blotches on the body which puzzles me. It's not nearly as bad as some other body marks had been, and for the most part, the juvenile Venustus have very much improved. I'd still see a pimple like mark appear on the male Venustus and Male Taiwan Reef, but went away. My fear is, that there might be something else in the tank and once the water clears out and I can get some pictures, I'll try to post that. I just can't understand why, now it's the Peacocks, getting small white patches on the body.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Oct 10, 2008 19:29:56 GMT -5
i would try a few more half doses just to be sure. could these marks be scarring from this past infection?
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Post by jonv on Oct 10, 2008 21:38:47 GMT -5
On the Venustus Juveniles yes, Bill, but these marks weren't on the Peacocks before. I wouldn't call them marks as much as I'd call it a white blotch look. Like on the Venustus, it was a lined scratch look, this looks like milky white and someone dabbed a spot on the body, It's not cottony or anything like that, more like what would look like a milk stain.
I dosed the whole tank, full treatment for 180 gallons of Furan II and Kanaplex, next day, 50% change, add next treatment, next day, 50% change, added third treatment. Between days 1 and 2 I added 1 medicated shell each day. Prior to commencing with day 1 of this treatment, I'd dosed and treated the whole tank, 2 consecutive days with quick cure as well. I've hit that tank with pretty much everything I have, which is why I'm dumbfounded to why spots would show up again.
Water is still a little hazy and greenish looking to get good shots, but I'll try again tomorrow.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Oct 10, 2008 21:46:24 GMT -5
maybe try a 25% water change daily for a week. that may help get all the sh*t out of there.
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Post by brenda on Nov 25, 2008 9:51:17 GMT -5
Jon, Haven't heard from you in a while. How is your tank doing these days and how are your madagascars doing?
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Post by jonv on Jan 4, 2009 1:16:00 GMT -5
I have located and contacted a seller over in Long Island that has the species I've most wanted over the last six months. Next week I should be getting a group of Xystichromis Phytophagus, the Christmas Fulu. Finally someone willing to sell at a non outrageous price and apparently has a group breeding quite often enough to charge lower prices. Will have to step up my relocation of Mbuna to clear out and make the Victorian set ups.
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Post by Carl on Jan 4, 2009 11:03:46 GMT -5
Here are the fish Jon is referring to from Lake Victoria: Xystichromis Phytophagus Christmas Fulu Carl
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Post by eve on Jan 4, 2009 11:57:11 GMT -5
very cute fish but that's a poor little guy, ripped fin and sad face
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Post by brenda on Jan 4, 2009 12:00:44 GMT -5
Congrats Jon!!! Awesome fish!!! Here is another pic of a fulu. The guy who took this takes incredible pics and actually said they had to tone down the colors as they were so bright it didn't look real. So this pic has actually had color taken away from it, not added. Beautiful fish!!! www.safhl.net/davesfish/images/Xystichromis%20phytophagus.jpg
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Post by brenda on Jan 4, 2009 12:04:17 GMT -5
very cute fish but that's a poor little guy, ripped fin and sad face I don't think his fin is ripped I think it is just the angle...Look at this pic of my fish. I saw it and was like OMG his fin is ripped to shreds...went and looked at him and he is totally fine, no ripped fin or nothing. i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Serena0401/Picture142-1.jpg
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Post by eve on Jan 4, 2009 12:52:43 GMT -5
very cute fish but that's a poor little guy, ripped fin and sad face I don't think his fin is ripped I think it is just the angle...Look at this pic of my fish. I saw it and was like OMG his fin is ripped to shreds...went and looked at him and he is totally fine, no ripped fin or nothing. i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Serena0401/Picture142-1.jpgoh wow, never seen anything like that before thanks for clarification
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Post by jonv on Jan 5, 2009 0:44:36 GMT -5
The one that Carl posted, yes that's the species, and clearly nothing to knock Carl, just that one picture, from all the ones I've seen out there when I've been scouting for this species, just doesn't do it any justice. The one Brenda posted is typical of the ones I've seen and the ones on CF profiles. I'm really going to try to go heavier into Victorians now and phase Mbuna out as much as possible. I very much enjoy the looks of the ones I've seen, plus the endemic changes going on in Lake Victorian certainly will make the value of species from there much higher.
I'm not knocking Mbuna only that so many species are common place and obtaining them is no difficult thing. I'm not trying to make a business off fish, but if I am going to keep and breed, might as well at least do so with much higher value fish. Given how common the Mbuna and Haps I have are, should Victorians not work out well, getting more Mbuna and starting over again would be no difficult thing at all.
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Post by brenda on Jan 5, 2009 12:13:18 GMT -5
Hey Jon, if you are real serious about getting into Vics check out the hill country cichlid club. They have an endangered species program and a forum board. If you want to learn about Vics this club has some of the biggest names in the country involved. Check out the name Greg Steves, he is an expert in this field, he even has a book out that he another guy from this club wrote. I believe the other guy is Dave Hanson who is the guy that took the pic I posted and has taken many of the pics you find out there on the net. Greg has written MANY of the articles you find on the net as well.
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Post by jonv on Feb 12, 2009 15:02:03 GMT -5
Picked up a new pretty cheap cam that can zoom in a bit. I think the color pixels on this I need to examine the micro's or something because it's comming out very bright. I played around with it a bit. Tried to get a close up of the Yellow Belly Albert and a female Peacock I'm not sure what species it is. Male and female Albert Male alone Unknown Peacock
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Post by eve on Feb 12, 2009 15:07:00 GMT -5
nice even when you zoom in, try to step back a bit to see if it becomes clearer
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