Post by mromines on Feb 10, 2020 13:27:05 GMT -5
My white comet goldfish is getting worse with treatments. I'm not sure if I'm approaching it right because I think I have a combination illness at hand.
In Dec. my tank had a velvet outbreak. Since all fish but my comet were effected, I treated the tank. Paraguard didn't work so I used Cupramine (14 days at therapeutic level). I removed the other fish on day 2 because they had adverse reactions but continued with the tank due to infestation. My comet did fine. Soon after, I treated him for Columnaris b/c of saddleback (hard to figure out because he's white). He responded to it. I focused on water parameters and building his immune system (introduced Seachem probiotic food). He started turning orangish yellow at the base of his fins and near his face. I looked at forums, pics, and waited thinking it could be a color change (new food).
Feb. 2 his "saddleback" was translucent and there was a red line along his spine from dorsal to tail, the "red" opening of his gills looked pale, and a tiny amount of veins were visible in the base of his tail. I thought maybe Pleistophora hyphssobryconis. For 2 days, I treated for that (Methlyblu/Metro baths and treated with Furan/Kanaplex). But by Feb 4 his mouth had a white area that looked like Columnaris (not fungus) with a red spot underneath. I switched treatment to address Columnaris. I followed the AAP suggestions and started Methlyblu/Spectrogram baths, Spectrogram in tank, ResQ, Salt, using 30% WC rate between doses. I didn't see results and by the end of day 2, I dropped a MWS in the tank. I know if WS not to but I read that adding a MWS was a strong cocktail option. I just finished the first treatment. I am in the wait 3 days before considering another treatment phase.
Here's what I see...
1. Mouth rot clears up and now red dot on "bottom lip".
2. Poop remains whitish.
3. His face and gills still look that orangish color and gill insides look pale to me. It hasn't gotten darker (like "Goldfish orange") and seems to spread. I don't know if it's a problem but it just looks wrong to me and if it's a color change, why would he iridescence go away? Aside from patches under each eye, his face is no longer iridescent.
4. Translucence spreading over back and around dorsal fin in daylight. If I shine a flashlight on him, it appears his sides are subtly turning in areas (but still iridescent). The area between his dorsal fin and tail with the red stripe appears to be the only body part that is dull. The red stripe on his back is pronounced but not as dark red. The bases of his fins are that orangish color.
5. I see tiny black dots in a 5 mm line on one side of his tail close to/not touching the base. I can't see it well enough to figure out what it is.
However:
His fins haven't frayed, no fuzzy areas, spots.
Nothing turns color after Methlyblu baths (gills or body)
He's swimming and eating fine
He is bumping into the glass and HOB intake tube. He's mildly jumpy (pos. scared from getting netted for baths). But, for his last bath after he was in the net he was still when I moved him (not in the tank or during bathtime).
He's light sensitive, but I've been keeping lighting mellow and covering him at night.
Water parameters: You guessed it, it's not ideal at this point. Last readings were pH 7.4
, Ammonia .5 (using prime to address), Nitrites 0, Nitrates 5
, [GH 150, KH 80 per test strips]. My test strips show Neutral pH and 30 Nitrates so I question their accuracy.
His tank is bare, I'm scooping poop at this point (so he doesn't eat it), and using Stability. My water get treated with Prime and is 7.6-7.8 and hard out of tap.
My medicine chest consists of Spectrogram, Nadalin, Furan 2, Kanaplex, Metro Plex, Focus, Paraguard, Cupramine, API Erythromycin, Super Velvet Plus, Medicated Wonder Shell, Triple Sulfa, General Cure, Methlyblu
That is everything I can think of. I will try to post pictures. If I turn his light on he started bopping his nose and zooming around so it makes it difficult.
A penny for your thoughts...
In Dec. my tank had a velvet outbreak. Since all fish but my comet were effected, I treated the tank. Paraguard didn't work so I used Cupramine (14 days at therapeutic level). I removed the other fish on day 2 because they had adverse reactions but continued with the tank due to infestation. My comet did fine. Soon after, I treated him for Columnaris b/c of saddleback (hard to figure out because he's white). He responded to it. I focused on water parameters and building his immune system (introduced Seachem probiotic food). He started turning orangish yellow at the base of his fins and near his face. I looked at forums, pics, and waited thinking it could be a color change (new food).
Feb. 2 his "saddleback" was translucent and there was a red line along his spine from dorsal to tail, the "red" opening of his gills looked pale, and a tiny amount of veins were visible in the base of his tail. I thought maybe Pleistophora hyphssobryconis. For 2 days, I treated for that (Methlyblu/Metro baths and treated with Furan/Kanaplex). But by Feb 4 his mouth had a white area that looked like Columnaris (not fungus) with a red spot underneath. I switched treatment to address Columnaris. I followed the AAP suggestions and started Methlyblu/Spectrogram baths, Spectrogram in tank, ResQ, Salt, using 30% WC rate between doses. I didn't see results and by the end of day 2, I dropped a MWS in the tank. I know if WS not to but I read that adding a MWS was a strong cocktail option. I just finished the first treatment. I am in the wait 3 days before considering another treatment phase.
Here's what I see...
1. Mouth rot clears up and now red dot on "bottom lip".
2. Poop remains whitish.
3. His face and gills still look that orangish color and gill insides look pale to me. It hasn't gotten darker (like "Goldfish orange") and seems to spread. I don't know if it's a problem but it just looks wrong to me and if it's a color change, why would he iridescence go away? Aside from patches under each eye, his face is no longer iridescent.
4. Translucence spreading over back and around dorsal fin in daylight. If I shine a flashlight on him, it appears his sides are subtly turning in areas (but still iridescent). The area between his dorsal fin and tail with the red stripe appears to be the only body part that is dull. The red stripe on his back is pronounced but not as dark red. The bases of his fins are that orangish color.
5. I see tiny black dots in a 5 mm line on one side of his tail close to/not touching the base. I can't see it well enough to figure out what it is.
However:
His fins haven't frayed, no fuzzy areas, spots.
Nothing turns color after Methlyblu baths (gills or body)
He's swimming and eating fine
He is bumping into the glass and HOB intake tube. He's mildly jumpy (pos. scared from getting netted for baths). But, for his last bath after he was in the net he was still when I moved him (not in the tank or during bathtime).
He's light sensitive, but I've been keeping lighting mellow and covering him at night.
Water parameters: You guessed it, it's not ideal at this point. Last readings were pH 7.4
, Ammonia .5 (using prime to address), Nitrites 0, Nitrates 5
, [GH 150, KH 80 per test strips]. My test strips show Neutral pH and 30 Nitrates so I question their accuracy.
His tank is bare, I'm scooping poop at this point (so he doesn't eat it), and using Stability. My water get treated with Prime and is 7.6-7.8 and hard out of tap.
My medicine chest consists of Spectrogram, Nadalin, Furan 2, Kanaplex, Metro Plex, Focus, Paraguard, Cupramine, API Erythromycin, Super Velvet Plus, Medicated Wonder Shell, Triple Sulfa, General Cure, Methlyblu
That is everything I can think of. I will try to post pictures. If I turn his light on he started bopping his nose and zooming around so it makes it difficult.
A penny for your thoughts...
