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Post by bgcat249 on Jan 10, 2017 11:58:15 GMT -5
Hello,
I am sorry to be yet another person asking for help after an outbreak of columnaris (lost more than 1/2 fish) but did almost all the recommended treatments and now have a medicated wonder shell in tank. Today noticed seachem ammonia alert 0.05ppm and master kit said 1.0...highest I have ever had in either tank. Did PWC but I wondered if the malachite green/NMB affects either Nh3 test (considering Color? Obviously my BB have been affected so added stability, but did wonder if the med. WS has any bearing on the ammonia Tests? I did not see that mentioned under various treatments but may have missed it. Thank you all for helping so many people and fish with all your research and this forum
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 10, 2017 13:45:40 GMT -5
The only effect it would have is making your filter lose it cycle, then it will build up from not having a cycle.
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Post by bgcat249 on Jan 10, 2017 14:51:38 GMT -5
Thank you Devon...do you mean the med. Wondershells could make me lose my Cycle? I am baffled by that ??
I am wondering if the Malachite green could alter the color in the ammonia test API? Or the NMB from the wondershells alter the coloring in the test?
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Post by Carl on Jan 10, 2017 15:15:26 GMT -5
Hello, I am sorry to be yet another person asking for help after an outbreak of columnaris (lost more than 1/2 fish) but did almost all the recommended treatments and now have a medicated wonder shell in tank. Today noticed seachem ammonia alert 0.05ppm and master kit said 1.0...highest I have ever had in either tank. Did PWC but I wondered if the malachite green/NMB affects either Nh3 test (considering Color? Obviously my BB have been affected so added stability, but did wonder if the med. WS has any bearing on the ammonia Tests? I did not see that mentioned under various treatments but may have missed it. Thank you all for helping so many people and fish with all your research and this forum Sorry to read this. I would go with the SeaChem reading since it measure true NH4. .05 is not dangerous, but it is not perfect either The meds in the Medicated Wonder Shell are not typically real tough on your bio system, but the MB and others together certainly can affect your bio filter is already weak or with prolonged/repeated use. Make sure any stressors are removed from your aquarium. This time of year, it includes a heater that is not keeping a stable +- temperature of 3-4F Have you been using AAP Wonder Shells regularly or a UV Sterilizer? Has anything else changed, new fish etc.? Carl |
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Post by bgcat249 on Jan 10, 2017 16:29:04 GMT -5
Thank you Carl for clarification. This is a 36 g tank that I thought was cycled with sponges from established tank, although it has been running about 4 months. After the Kanamycin and Furan 2 with no spikes in NH3 I thought things were ok but maybe it was weakened as I had used Metronidazole before that, not knowing what was killing my fish. Finally the classic Saddleback lesion appeared . Very upsetting as I had been a Veterinary nurse for 35 years and feel it is my mis sion to save All animals, aquatic or otherwise. 12 fish remaining a few with fin rot. Most healthy ones are the glowlight tetras which were first inhabitants! I suppose I should continue with Stability for 7 days and watch ammonia. I did notice pH has risen to 8.2 (was 7.6) but all other parameters ok. I have used wondershells for years but first time using medicated ones. My temp has been about 75 (lowered for columnaris) steady. I may have added too many fish too quickly with no quartin (I know) in my excitement to get it set up and probably did stress the fish...but nothing that didn,t get along...tetras, platys. Wish I could afford UV right now but unemployed.  As always I appreciate your feedback and just wanted to make sure I didn,t screw up...again! |
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Post by Carl on Jan 11, 2017 10:29:49 GMT -5
I certainly understand not having the $$ for the UV
I do not think your bio filter is too damaged,as a .50 spike is really not all that much. In fact it is a weak bio filter that would see a more dangerous spike of 2 ppm NH4 after prolonged meds use. So my opinion is that your bio filter was actually quite strong going into this medication regimen.
It is interesting that your original inhabitants are still doing well.
I would consider the use of Medicated Wonder Shells when adding new fish in the future, but if the fish are already weak (sometimes not always noticeable when purchasing either), the MWS are still are not a fail safe
Carl
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Post by bgcat249 on Jan 11, 2017 11:14:13 GMT -5
Just a quick reply to say thank you again...one thing I did do which may have had an effect was to remove the large piece of driftwood that had slime hanging from it...did a dilute bleach soak and rinsed, soaked in salt water and replaced. That may have held a lot of BB which I now probably killed. Live and learn.  Hindsight is very 20 20 |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 11, 2017 13:55:56 GMT -5
Carl makes a good point. You could consider adding a preventive dose of stability during water changes. I would expect the .5 ammonia will stabilize out.
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Hindsight is very 20 20