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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 11, 2016 16:14:11 GMT -5
I agree--it seems they started feeling better almost immediately after adding the herbal remedy. IDK why products this helpful always wind up bring discontinued???
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Post by Carl on Apr 11, 2016 16:52:03 GMT -5
I agree--it seems they started feeling better almost immediately after adding the herbal remedy. IDK why products this helpful always wind up bring discontinued??? Sometimes a product has only a small window where it is helpful sometimes there are other issues at play too that only a controlled test can reveal. An example here is the many aquarium forums stating "Melafix killed my Betta" when in reality the problem was actually in correct water parameters that reacted with the treatment Reference: www.fish-as-pets.com/2008/12/melafix-dangers-labyrinth-fish.htmlAnyway, it is difficult to know how much this helped, as your other actions or even just that some fish were never sick may have been what simply happened (the turn around rime was also almost "too fast"), but this formula certainly showed promise Carl
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 12, 2016 14:53:09 GMT -5
The directions on the Furan says to dose daily but the Kanacyn says every other day. I'm concerned about my puffer (although he seems fine). Should I just dose them together every other day?
This is the 3rd day with no deaths (YIPPEE!!!) & the fish are "acting" more normal: swimming, instead of hiding on the substrate in the back of the tank & eating well but their fins look to be deteriorating more & eyes are a little cloudy.
I haven't dosed anything yet today.
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Post by Carl on Apr 12, 2016 18:05:39 GMT -5
The directions on the Furan says to dose daily but the Kanacyn says every other day. I'm concerned about my puffer (although he seems fine). Should I just dose them together every other day? This is the 3rd day with no deaths (YIPPEE!!!) & the fish are "acting" more normal: swimming, instead of hiding on the substrate in the back of the tank & eating well but their fins look to be deteriorating more & eyes are a little cloudy. I haven't dosed anything yet today. I follow the instructions; So one every day, while the other is every other day! Keep an eye on their eyes (pardon the pun), as this may need a separate treatment, but this also may just be a symptom of the main issue Reference: www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2009/01/streptococcus-eye-infections.htmlCarl
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 12, 2016 19:02:32 GMT -5
I'll pick up Melafix tomorrow, as I am using the last of that other herbal remedy.
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Post by ann on Apr 12, 2016 20:00:11 GMT -5
(clap, clap, clap...) Some serious help from Carl here. Running back to the shop is a rare, if not, something that never happens. Taking good care of Pufferpunk. I do see some recommendations, which I would also recommend, not being address after Carl gives the advice. Since there's such an issue going on here, I would follow Carl's advice 100% and not even try taking just some of the advice thinking it should help some. Like the Methylene Blue. This is a must have for any serious aquarium keeper. I'd also revisit the prevention article and consider the meds to have on hand. Most all aquarium keepers will have an illness happen without having what they need on hand... making treatment success so much more less. Great job again Carl. Haven't seen weekend after hours service at this level before. I agree. Never have I seen so much help and service offered on a Board and store.Love it! Ann
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 12, 2016 20:57:54 GMT -5
The cichlid's skin is looking milky, as described in your article. :/
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Post by Carl on Apr 13, 2016 11:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Apr 13, 2016 14:57:53 GMT -5
My opinion on this still being a problem. My educated guess is that the HITH happened from a long-term lacking of electrolyte minerals, which means medications are not going to help. Its going to be the supply of these minerals long term, which will help slowly heal the HITH. It was a long progression to have the issue, which means a long progression to heal. I would stop all meds,just focus on great water and electrolytes. Good point! Carl
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 13, 2016 21:39:37 GMT -5
You guys are confused, I'm sorry. There is NO HITH in this 180g tank. That is in my 120g (another thread). This issue that was killing my plecos & loaches looks to be a bacterial problem, because of a bunch of rotting organic material festering under a pile of lace rock. The rock is gone, corner cleaned up now. Fish are "acting" much better but still look sick: milky skin, cloudy eyes, frayed/deteriorating fins. There is no red on them. They are now swimming & eating normally. I also want to add that with all the meds I'm tossing into this tank, the ammonia/nitrite is remaining at 0!
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 14, 2016 7:59:36 GMT -5
My opinion on this still being a problem. My educated guess is that the HITH happened from a long-term lacking of electrolyte minerals, which means medications are not going to help. Its going to be the supply of these minerals long term, which will help slowly heal the HITH. It was a long progression to have the issue, which means a long progression to heal. I would stop all meds,just focus on great water and electrolytes. These minerals are found in the Wonder Shells, right? Because I've been adding them for at least 6 months now--well before the HITH showed up.
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Post by Carl on Apr 14, 2016 9:04:48 GMT -5
You guys are confused, I'm sorry. There is NO HITH in this 180g tank. That is in my 120g (another thread). This issue that was killing my plecos & loaches looks to be a bacterial problem, because of a bunch of rotting organic material festering under a pile of lace rock. The rock is gone, corner cleaned up now. Fish are "acting" much better but still look sick: milky skin, cloudy eyes, frayed/deteriorating fins. There is no red on them. They are now swimming & eating normally. I also want to add that with all the meds I'm tossing into this tank, the ammonia/nitrite is remaining at 0! Sorry about this; so many thread combined with emails so it gets very difficult to remember what problem is being currently discussed Cleaning up the rotting organic material likely may have helped as much as the medications. I have often found that many sick fish issues can be traced back to a cause and removing this cause is often the difference between failure and success in treatment!! This is noted at the beginning of this article: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Medication.htmlAnd Yes Wonder Shells have many of the mineral Cations needed (no sodium Bicarbonates though) Carl
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 14, 2016 9:46:42 GMT -5
Fish are looking MUCH better today! No more milky skin, fins or eyes. Just some fraying on the fins & they seem to be growing back some. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE TO HELP ME & MY WET FRIENDS, CARL!
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 15, 2016 17:01:14 GMT -5
The fish are actually looking fantastic! How much longer should I continue medicating? I'm still adding Furan2 daily, Paraguard daily, salt at 1 tbsp/5g) & Kanacyn every other day. I also have Melafix on hand. I am also doing 50% WC every other day.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Apr 15, 2016 17:12:33 GMT -5
The fish are actually looking fantastic! How much longer should I continue medicating? I'm still adding Furan2 daily, Paraguard daily, salt at 1 tbsp/5g) & Kanacyn every other day. I also have Melafix on hand. I am also doing 50% WC every other day. I'd treat for 10 days total on this plan and reevaluate.
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 15, 2016 18:38:53 GMT -5
OK, because I have removed the source of the problem, which is why no more fish are dying & they're looking so much better (in addition to the meds, of course). I do worry greatly about my 18 year old fahaka puffer & all these toxic meds I'm adding to his tank.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Apr 16, 2016 12:01:06 GMT -5
You can do a 5-7 day...10 days is the standard, just to make sure it's cured and there's immunity against. I understand what you mean though.
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 16, 2016 20:05:25 GMT -5
That's fine--I only have a couple day's meds left anyway.
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Post by pufferpunk on Apr 20, 2016 8:58:59 GMT -5
Done medicating. Did an 80% WC to remove meds & 0.25 ammonia. Fish look WONDERFUL!!! Even frayed fins are healed.
How long do I wait now, to restock?
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Post by Carl on Apr 20, 2016 9:13:01 GMT -5
Done medicating. Did an 80% WC to remove meds & 0.25 ammonia. Fish look WONDERFUL!!! Even frayed fins are healed. How long do I wait now, to restock? GREAT! I know you are probably anxious to get your aquarium back to where it was in fish, but I would wait for at least 2 weeks, and much better would be a full month. I would strongly urge the use of a Medicated Wonder Shell(s) when new fish are added. As well a true high dwell time UV Sterilizer should be a part of your equipment (often the cost is less than just one pricey fish). While a UV is far from a guarantee, it is still a major part of the fish disease prevention puzzle Carl
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