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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:19:51 GMT -5
Greetings All,
I would like to see a list of books (and web sites) that have good images for fish identification.
I have the most recent edition of the Dr. Axelrod's Atlas of Freshwater Fish. It is good -- if you tend to like Koi - there are over 80 pages just for Koi.
I bought it because a friend of mine gave me an Amazon gift card for Christmas one year. This was a good choice - as it is something I will always have.
The rainbow fish section is the smallest section. Many varieties are missing in this book. The atlas also has many corydoras "missing in action".
I used to have the Mini Atlas (still a large book) that also had section on illnesses and disease treatment. I loaned that to the local national chain store (they needed it more than I did -- smile)....Well....that book is no more (pretty sure I know who has it -- the last associate in charge of the fish who had any clue what to do -- probably took it with him when he moved to Columbus). No great loss, I bought it used on Amazon.
Note: The Axelrod book has scientific names. It is divided by regions of the world (most fish are now farm raised/tank raised far from their original habitats). The book has some of the common names at the back -- but not for all fish it pictures.
This thread can be picked up again as you discover more publications. You can post a link if books are listed elsewhere.
I have two books on fish health/disease treatments. As you know there is a LOT better information on AAP on treatment for fish diseases!!! The books were helpful in identifying diseases (then I would go online for more images to be sure).
Here is a tip I got from the Dr. Burgess book, A to Z Treatment of Tropical Fish:
When buying new fish, put small rubber bands around the bottom corners of the bags - this creates more of a bowl effect -- fish don't bury their noses into the corners. I have been doing this for years when buying locally (out of town, fish travel in five gallon bucket). At first, associates thought I was just crazy. Soon they started doing it automatically.
Hmmm...Just looked up to see what the Doctor recommended for Camallanus.... His suggestion was Fenbendazole administered through food - or by adding to the water.
In time, I will post good web sites I have come across for various fish -- in the freshwater fish section.
Judy
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Post by Carl on Dec 2, 2014 16:22:34 GMT -5
Feel free to offer "Contributor Notes" to our Fish Profiles articles or even add to these sections. 70% of the content in these articles is generated by members here at EA over the years, unlike most of my article with the exception of "Fish as Pets Aquatic News" which also has a lot of member or guest articles too. About the only aspect I contribute to "Fish Profiles" is the care and water quality as that is more my specialty. Many of the pictures are from Steven, but many are also from members/guests Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/FreshwaterProfiles.htmlCarl |
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Post by parker002 on Dec 2, 2014 20:12:56 GMT -5
Part of the problem with fish identification, much like with other pets, is that breeding them is now an industry. New hybrids and genetically-altered fish are coming out all the time and it's nearly impossible to simply identify them by one picture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 20:45:35 GMT -5
Hi Parker/All,
I know the Emerald Rainbowfish I buy are not 100% Emeralds (Lake Wanam Rainbowfish). They are tank raised in Florida. I have no idea what the mixed varieties are. A pure male emerald is supposed to have a long anal fin. Most of the ones I have purchased don't. Doesn't matter -- they are still gorgeous fish. Lake Wanam RAinbowfish are threatened in their natural habitat. I wouldn't buy any if they were wild caught.
I was just on a site for corydoras and oh my goodness! all the different varieties! -- and so many looking nearly identical.
A manager for one of the stores where I buy fish really likes cory cats, too -- so he always orders in the ones on the supplemental list (a lot of stores only get in the basics). I do have fun looking for the "special" ones. I bought one that is a mixed Elegans/Rabauti. I have another that is a one of kind (a one of a kind to the store) that is an elegans with a gold line.
Angelminx posted a Rainbowfish book that I plan to look for. Someone posted the same book on Fishlore Forum. I am going to check out the Catfish book she posted as well.
Cheers,
Judy
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Post by angelminx on Dec 3, 2014 3:07:51 GMT -5
Hey, Judy...here's another good book  : [I'm not sure what the exact last name is, because it uses a German character that is also not on our keyboards.] "Corydoras: The most popular armoured Catfishes of South America" by Werner Seuss, 1993 Dahne Verlage GmbH, Translated from the German by Klaus Berold and Bernard Michaeli; ISBN3-921684-18-8 Unfortunately a few of the (only) pics for a species are illustrations made from living specimens and (Werner's) interpretation of initial descriptions of the fish. There are a lot of good photos and info in the book. I wish I had an up-dated version of the book (if there is one), but then I wish that for a lot of my books. Most of my books I got before 2000 (and they seemed more available back then, too), some in stores, and others from That Fish Place (when they had more books available on-line). I would still like to get the most recent volumes of Scott W. Michael's Reef Fishes series, which I hadn't seen the last time I checked (expensive, though, but then again, most books are nowadays--even the Little Golden books for kids are ~$5 the last time/place I looked  ). Angelminx |
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Post by angelminx on Dec 3, 2014 3:46:56 GMT -5
Speaking of old books, I have one Carl might be interested in (for its timely information): [Original copyright 1971, by Hamlyn Publishing Group Ltd.; copyright 1972, 1974 by Grosset & Dunlap Inc. (I have the 1977 printing), and originally published in the Grossett All-Color Guide Series] "Tropical Marine Aquaria" (by Graham F. Cox, illustrated by George Thompson) "How to set up and maintain a trouble-free home aquarium for the world's most beautiful marine animals. Over 100 species described in full detail. 185 full-color illustrations." [Revised Edition] ISBN 0-448-11718-5 (Trade Edition) ISBN 0-448-13200-1 (Library Edition Supervising Editor...Georg Zappler Board of Consultants (I'm not sure why they are listed): Richard G. Van Gelder (Chairman and Curator, Mammals, American Museum of Natural History) William C. Steere (Director, New York Botanical Garden) Sune Engelbrekston (Space Science Co-ordinator, Port Chersterfield Public Schools) John F. Middleton (Chairman, Anthropology, New York University) Carl M. Kortepeter (Associate Professor, History, New York University) Michael Cohn (Curator, Cultural History, Brooklyn Children's Museum) Frank X. Critchlow (Consulting Engineer, Applied and Theoretical Electronics) Page 36 (Creating a Marine Aquarium) starts out with The Natural System, who's "foremost and original exponent" was Lee Chin Eng of Djakarta, Indonesia. The book includes such fishes as the Banded Pipefish, and The Moorish Idol  . Angelminx |
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Post by Carl on Dec 3, 2014 10:05:40 GMT -5
Part of the problem with fish identification, much like with other pets, is that breeding them is now an industry. New hybrids and genetically-altered fish are coming out all the time and it's nearly impossible to simply identify them by one picture. This is an excellent point, and one reason I have never concentrated on fish ID, rather fish care (which is also evolving too). This said, these older books with good photos such as by Dr. Axelrod, are still accurate IMO for original identification. Carl |
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Post by Carl on Dec 3, 2014 10:12:06 GMT -5
Speaking of old books, I have one Carl might be interested in (for its timely information): [Original copyright 1971, by Hamlyn Publishing Group Ltd.; copyright 1972, 1974 by Grosset & Dunlap Inc. (I have the 1977 printing), and originally published in the Grossett All-Color Guide Series] "Tropical Marine Aquaria" (by Graham F. Cox, illustrated by George Thompson) "How to set up and maintain a trouble-free home aquarium for the world's most beautiful marine animals. Over 100 species described in full detail. 185 full-color illustrations." [Revised Edition] ISBN 0-448-11718-5 (Trade Edition) ISBN 0-448-13200-1 (Library Edition Supervising Editor...Georg Zappler Board of Consultants (I'm not sure why they are listed): Richard G. Van Gelder (Chairman and Curator, Mammals, American Museum of Natural History) William C. Steere (Director, New York Botanical Garden) Sune Engelbrekston (Space Science Co-ordinator, Port Chersterfield Public Schools) John F. Middleton (Chairman, Anthropology, New York University) Carl M. Kortepeter (Associate Professor, History, New York University) Michael Cohn (Curator, Cultural History, Brooklyn Children's Museum) Frank X. Critchlow (Consulting Engineer, Applied and Theoretical Electronics) Page 36 (Creating a Marine Aquarium) starts out with The Natural System, who's "foremost and original exponent" was Lee Chin Eng of Djakarta, Indonesia. The book includes such fishes as the Banded Pipefish, and The Moorish Idol . Angelminx Thanks for sharing! Care of marine fish has advanced considerably since 1977, so much of the content would likely be out of date. Your noting it contains information about keeping the Moorish Idol tells me a lot since this is a fish I would never recommend and they simply do not prosper in aquariums of the size most persons can afford. My person opinion is by purchasing a Moorish Idol, one is simply a death sentence for a fish that should not be imported and sold. Carl |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 12:03:24 GMT -5
I don't know names of many salt water fish.... I looked up the Moorish Idol. Fortunately, the fish is out of stock for one source. No idea how long it has been out of stock or will be out of stock (let's hope it will be forever out of stock now). That same source did have in stock Schooling Banner fish - which is similar in appearance and not as difficult to keep. That site does warn that the Moorish Idol is for experts only. Both fish need a minimum 125 gallon tank. That source does have Banded Pipefish in stock...also for experts only.
What is so much fun about this forum is learning something new everyday! I am a former art teacher and I always told my students (and their parents) that I enjoyed learning something new everyday. I encouraged them to explore the Internet (and had my own web site with links that were all kid safe). Of course, now I am learning new fish stuff everyday instead of so much art stuff (grin).
The funny thing is...I didn't really use my own web site... Once I added the link it wasn't new to me...I was surfing to find new. It was always easier to just Google than go to my own web site to find the link/information I wanted. It took folks a long time to discover that on their own....I kept my site online for many years after I retired - and was active on five art education list serves. It was just too much work updating something I didn't need myself.
Carl doesn't need all of the information himself that he has on his site - but he maintains it all for folks like me....and I am VERY grateful for that! I appreciate his dedication to educating home aquarists. If any members read this.... and would like to THANK Carl for all of his work, please go to the site (American Aquarium Products) and click the donation button (at the bottom of the pages)- even if it is just enough to buy him lunch (smile). Carl could make his articles members only - and charge a fee to access it and could probably make a lot of money doing that. NO other aquarium supply site even comes close to providing the kind of information that Carl provides. I found a corydoras site that is members only.
Cheers,
Judy
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Post by angelminx on Dec 3, 2014 17:43:45 GMT -5
Hi, Carl I agree with everything you said about older books. I just thought you might get a laugh out of some of the information  . That's why I wish some of my older books would get up-dated (info as well as ID). I like that some of the newer books have a list of popular fish to avoid...some even tell you why. Even if I had marine aquariums and a proper set-up, I would avoid Moorish Idols and get Heniochus (Schooling Bannerfish) instead. I like Batfish, too, but would never try them unless I had a LARGE tank AND plenty of prior experience! Angelminx |
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Post by angelminx on Dec 3, 2014 17:55:47 GMT -5
BTW, for the few days, whenever I finished a post, after posting it and clicking on the "back" arrow to return to the board (to select another thread or board) I would get a "Document Expired" screen. If I clicked on the "back" arrow again, I would usually be able to navigate back to the thread, but if I clicked on "try again" I would often get the same screen...ie. click arrow; expired screen; try again; thread; back arrow; expired screen. Sometimes I am getting an "oops!" screen, and have to leave the site and come back. I don't know if this is a site (Proboards), computer, or "Me" issuue. This happened occasionally on my old computer, too. Any idea?
Angelminx
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Post by Carl on Dec 3, 2014 18:54:10 GMT -5
Orbic Batfish actually are pretty hardy and do well in aquariums as small as 60 gallons (they do not get quite as large either). These are very intelligent fish that really interact with their owners. I had one at one of my favorite clients (in an office) that recognized different employees there and where they fed in the tank and would move according to where he expected the fish food to be prior to its being added to the aquarium by each specific person.  Now Pinnatus and Tierra Batfish are more difficult and require larger aquariums As for the computer issue, I would suggest not even using the "back" key, as a forum board is not set up to "go back" after a post. Simply let the forum redirect back to your post and then move on from there Carl |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Dec 4, 2014 11:05:56 GMT -5
BTW, for the few days, whenever I finished a post, after posting it and clicking on the "back" arrow to return to the board (to select another thread or board) I would get a "Document Expired" screen. If I clicked on the "back" arrow again, I would usually be able to navigate back to the thread, but if I clicked on "try again" I would often get the same screen...ie. click arrow; expired screen; try again; thread; back arrow; expired screen. Sometimes I am getting an "oops!" screen, and have to leave the site and come back. I don't know if this is a site (Proboards), computer, or "Me" issuue. This happened occasionally on my old computer, too. Any idea? Angelminx I'm thinking if it were ProBoards, it would be a ProBoards error. I have seen those before. After making a post, I wouldn't hit the back button. It seems like the browser is trying to go back to the post you were editing. That would cause some problems? |
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Post by parker002 on Dec 4, 2014 11:20:41 GMT -5
Don't click on the back arrow. When you're posting, you're entering form data, which the browser temporarily stores in order to protect against data loss.
When you hit submit and then hit the back button, you're trying to return to the page containing that form data, even though the browser has already deleted it (because it's no longer needed).
Once you submit your post, navigate back to the forum via the forum links at the top and bottom of each page. Honestly, I spend all day every day on the Internet and I use the back button maybe once or twice a day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 21:06:49 GMT -5
Here is a list of books Angelminx posted in the Banjo Catfish thread: The World of Catfish by Midori Kobayagawa, edited by Dr. Warren E. Burgess, pp108-109 T.F.H. TS-161 ISBN 0-86622-407-6 Originally published in Japanese under the title Catfishes of the World by Marine Planning Co., Tokyo, Japan Japanese original Edition Copyright 1989 TFH claims copyright for the English translation, 1991 WHAT FISH? A Buyer's Guide To Tropical Fish by Nick Fletcher with other Aquarium Experts, page 44 2006 Barron's Educational Series, Inc. (1st edition for the United States and Canada) ISBN 978-0-7641-3255-1 ISBN 0-7641-3255-5 www.barronsedu.comFirst published in 2006 by Interpet Publishing Authors: Mary Bailley (Cichlids) Nick Fletcher[former editor of Practical Fishkeeping Magazine] (Barbs) Ian Fuller (Catfish) Richard Hardwick (Oddballs) Peter Hiscock (Characins, Danios, Loaches and Sharks) Pat Lambert (Livebearers) John Rundle (Rainbowfish) Andrew Smith [information officer of the Anabantoid Association of Great Britain] (Anabantoids) Kevin Webb (Killifish) The Manual of Fish Health Dr. Chris Andrews, Adrian Exell and Dr. Neville Carington, page 147 (consultant: Peter W. Scott MSc., BVSc., MRCVS., MIBIOL.) 1988 Salamander Books Tetra Press 16068 ISBN 1-56465-160-6
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