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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 25, 2014 17:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Jul 25, 2014 18:32:53 GMT -5
This looks like a sore from maybe running into something hard, that has now grown some Saprolegnia (think hairy) A swab of Methylene Blue POSSIBLY followed by a bath would be in order. If little progress is made with relatively weak Methylene Blue, you could step up to Hydrogen Peroxide are stronger yet Potassium Permanganate. Fungus Cure by API could also be used in tank Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Columnaris.html#fungusFrom the above article: "Saprolegnia (often classified as a mold; from the Genus “Saprolegnia”) is often confused with Columnaris and for good reasons, they can often be similar in appearance. This similar appearance is why I combined these two unrelated pathogens into this article.
Close inspection though, will reveal that a fish with Saprolegnia will have hair like growth structures similar to what you might find outside growing on a decaying piece of wood in the forest. This is what differentiates Saprolegnia (referred to as fungus) from Columnaris as you will not see the thin hair like structures upon fish with Columnaris."Product Resources: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Waterconditioner.html#permanganatewww.americanaquariumproducts.com/Pimafix.html#fungusCarl |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 26, 2014 12:29:50 GMT -5
Thanks Carl and thanks for the resources. I will take a look at the article and start treatment soon. I'll also try to get it on video.
I noticed there are 2 oz Potassium Permanganate on the shelf, but they are not in the cart or pictured on the website.
Thanks again...
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Post by angelminx on Jul 27, 2014 20:02:34 GMT -5
I hope your angel gets better. He really is cute!
I know I shouldn't have (having just turned my bully of a gold angel in, and having two 2-year-olds present in the 55G), but I just got a little "scribbled" lace veiltail angel the other day. "She's" in quarantine right now with my cories, but she been spending a lot of time hiding, with her tail clamped. I haven't seen her eating until this afternoon, when she was up in the front corner of the tank, near the surface. So I crushed a Spirulina Plus flake and dropped it on the surface near her, and she went straight for it. Her tail is still clamped though. I also have some black neon tetras that I got at the same time (they were $1 each). After a few days it looked like they might have Ich (and I lost one), so I started treating with ParaGuard, Triple Sulfa, and salt. I don't know if that's what's bothering my angel, or not. She hasn't shown any signs of Ich, or anything else, although she had been breathing heavily for a while. I've been doing an approximate 20% water change each day, after water testing, and before re-medicating. I do have a question about the Triple Sulfa, though. Carl's article says to treat for 10 days, and the box says 4 treatments total--once every 24 hours. What is the best way to treat (it's being used in support of the ParaGuard)?
PS. How do you get such large pictures to post? Mine will only show up small.
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Post by Carl on Jul 28, 2014 8:56:22 GMT -5
You can treat up to 10 days, Triple sulfa, is used in support of ParaGuard should be used with every ParaGuard treatment.
Using the image tool, which is the 6th from the right on the bar above the regular reply box (not quick reply).
You also need to make sure the image you are uploading is the correct size too, as you have been uploading thumbnail pictures, with no lager picture behind it
Carl
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 28, 2014 9:08:53 GMT -5
I hope your angel gets better. He really is cute! I know I shouldn't have (having just turned my bully of a gold angel in, and having two 2-year-olds present in the 55G), but I just got a little "scribbled" lace veiltail angel the other day. "She's" in quarantine right now with my cories, but she been spending a lot of time hiding, with her tail clamped. I haven't seen her eating until this afternoon, when she was up in the front corner of the tank, near the surface. So I crushed a Spirulina Plus flake and dropped it on the surface near her, and she went straight for it. Her tail is still clamped though. I also have some black neon tetras that I got at the same time (they were $1 each). After a few days it looked like they might have Ich (and I lost one), so I started treating with ParaGuard, Triple Sulfa, and salt. I don't know if that's what's bothering my angel, or not. She hasn't shown any signs of Ich, or anything else, although she had been breathing heavily for a while. I've been doing an approximate 20% water change each day, after water testing, and before re-medicating. I do have a question about the Triple Sulfa, though. Carl's article says to treat for 10 days, and the box says 4 treatments total--once every 24 hours. What is the best way to treat (it's being used in support of the ParaGuard)? PS. How do you get such large pictures to post? Mine will only show up small. Thanks for the support. I'm going to start treatment soon. The fact that the angel is eating is a good sign. I wouldn't think the ich would be the problem unless it was present on the fish. Still you are treating the whole tank so it sounds like the treatment would help anyways. Treatment should last up to ten for treatment with the TS. You might see signs of the infection go away before then, but a full treatment will assume that it is taken care of and the ich didn't bet a short treatment. Its just like a full round of antibiotics from the doctor. I would go with what it says in the article: Treatment Duration, Follow-Up: Any of these treatments should be followed for 10-14 days (with small 10-20% water changes if at all possible between each treatment). A Medicated Wonder Shell can be used for a week or two instead of stronger medications once the main infestation has cleared, but a follow up treatment is still required. As for the picture, I host my on blogger and create the size there. Then I just use the blogger link when I add a picture. How are you hosting your pictures before you add them? |
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Post by angelminx on Jul 28, 2014 18:53:48 GMT -5
Just in case, I'm planning on treating for Ich for about 20 days, then I will follow up with the Medicated Wonder Shell. BTW: Other than a couple of hours of running the filter with activated carbon before using the medicated Wonder Shell, should I wait to use the carbon until treatment with the shell is finished?
I'm not sure what you mean about "hosting my pictures". I haven't checked out photobucket yet, if that has anything to do with what you mean. Right now I just have them downloaded onto my computer from my camera, and have attatched them to my posts from there. All this Digital Photo stuff is new to me.
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Post by goldenpuon on Jul 28, 2014 23:52:52 GMT -5
Hosting pictures is just means a website where you upload your pictures to that enables you to easily share and post your pictures to other websites on the Internet. You can add descriptions, tag pictures, and organize them so it is useful, and access them on any computer with an Internet connection, so it is useful.  Just to name a few, some examples are Photobucket, Flickr, Facebook (not it's primary purpose, but it has lots of image capabiltities), and ImageShack. Don't worry, you'll get the hang out of it. Devonjohnsgard and angelminx, I don't really have any advice about the angels. You both probably know more than me about disease treatment. Renee |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 29, 2014 9:29:32 GMT -5
Just in case, I'm planning on treating for Ich for about 20 days, then I will follow up with the Medicated Wonder Shell. BTW: Other than a couple of hours of running the filter with activated carbon before using the medicated Wonder Shell, should I wait to use the carbon until treatment with the shell is finished? I'm not sure what you mean about "hosting my pictures". I haven't checked out photobucket yet, if that has anything to do with what you mean. Right now I just have them downloaded onto my computer from my camera, and have attatched them to my posts from there. All this Digital Photo stuff is new to me. Don't treat for to long. 10 days is right. Can't the fish build immunity to treatments, so then the medications could be less effective for a treatment later? Photobucket is the easiest. It's just a place to store all your pictures, then easily add them to the post, by the picture button. Instead of just attaching the picture. I'm not sure if you would need to run carbon afterward. The only thing in the shell that could cause an issue would be the copper, but you are not continuing to add it in, the the concentration is not increasing. I don't think it's required. |
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Post by Carl on Jul 29, 2014 12:59:23 GMT -5
A water change AND the use of carbon, Purigen, Bio Chem Zorb or similar after any treatment, including Medicated Wonder Shells is suggested. From Aquarium Medications Use, Part 1: "As well some medications break down after 24-48 hours and can leave mildly to moderately toxic chemicals behind which a water change prior to the next treatment can help lower or remove completely. As noted in the previous section, placing carbon or similar products such as SeaChem Purigen in a filter for an hour or two prior to a treatment can help remove ineffective or exhausted medications.
The use of small water changes and short term carbon, Purigen, etc. can also allow for longer use of many medications. This is especially important if using a medication such as Triple Sulfa to buffer malachite green medications and treat secondary infections of an Ich outbreak."Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Medication.htmlCarl |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 29, 2014 17:24:52 GMT -5
So I haven't started treatment just yet. I wanted to get a better view of the fungus on video. Here is the Saprolegnia on the Angel. Will be treating with a swab to the infected area. Feel free to share your advice.
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Post by Carl on Jul 30, 2014 8:59:52 GMT -5
Nice video!
Definitely shows an otherwise healthy fish and healthy aquarium
At this point, treating the tank is not necessary, just a swab of the fish once or twice per day.
Carl
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Post by angelminx on Jul 31, 2014 0:41:52 GMT -5
He's a beautiful little angel. I hope you have him for a long time! [My little scribbled angel died yesterday  Never figured out what was wrong with "her".] What kind of fish is that brownish spotted one towards rhe bottom of the tank, to the left of the spiny eels? It reminds me of a saltwater fish. |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 31, 2014 16:37:03 GMT -5
rip scribbled angel. I think the fish you are looking at is my 4 year old plecostomus. He's about 8 inches long and looks like a dinosaur fish Dr. Grant... |
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Post by angelminx on Jul 31, 2014 23:25:39 GMT -5
"Dr. Grant", here.
The quick glimpses I get of him, he almost looks like he has a parrot-like mouth. It's probably just the angle though.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Aug 4, 2014 9:28:05 GMT -5
"Dr. Grant", here. The quick glimpses I get of him, he almost looks like he has a parrot-like mouth. It's probably just the angle though. This is my first time keeping Angels, so I didn't think much about the way his mouth looked. It's different than what you have seen? |
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Post by angelminx on Aug 4, 2014 23:59:32 GMT -5
The angel looks perfect, except fot the saprolegnia. Actually it was the pleco I was talking about. I do love angels though.
Back in the early '80s I lived in Ocean Beach (San Diego), and had been taking care of one greatgrandmother after she broke her hip, then moved into a "studio" apartmnent in back of my other greatgrandmother's house. I had my original (15G) tank, and bought a 20G from the pet store where I was working as a groomer. I had 4 angels in the 20G. They grew up in it together, and I never once saw them squabble with each other. Of course, that doesn't mean they didn't when I wasn't around. In addition to their normal flake food (I don't remember what brand anymore) they got live brine shrimp probably 5 days a week, sometimes more; I was only charged 1/2 price by the owner, so I had them available for the angels almost constantly. The pet store also had tubifex worms, but I never fed them.
I just wish I was able to get live food out here. When I first started fishkeeping, while I lived in California, I used to always have plenty of guppies, so the excess babies made great food for my other fish. Since I moved to Illinois in the mid-'80s I've never had any luck with guppies. What I did manage to raise rarely ever grew to the size my California guppies did, and even the sub-adult and "adult" males I was able to get hold of never reached "full-sized". Also, I was lucky if any of the guppies I got from anywhere lived more than a few months.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Aug 5, 2014 17:15:23 GMT -5
The angel looks perfect, except fot the saprolegnia. Actually it was the pleco I was talking about. I do love angels though. Back in the early '80s I lived in Ocean Beach (San Diego), and had been taking care of one greatgrandmother after she broke her hip, then moved into a "studio" apartmnent in back of my other greatgrandmother's house. I had my original (15G) tank, and bought a 20G from the pet store where I was working as a groomer. I had 4 angels in the 20G. They grew up in it together, and I never once saw them squabble with each other. Of course, that doesn't mean they didn't when I wasn't around. In addition to their normal flake food (I don't remember what brand anymore) they got live brine shrimp probably 5 days a week, sometimes more; I was only charged 1/2 price by the owner, so I had them available for the angels almost constantly. The pet store also had tubifex worms, but I never fed them. I just wish I was able to get live food out here. When I first started fishkeeping, while I lived in California, I used to always have plenty of guppies, so the excess babies made great food for my other fish. Since I moved to Illinois in the mid-'80s I've never had any luck with guppies. What I did manage to raise rarely ever grew to the size my California guppies did, and even the sub-adult and "adult" males I was able to get hold of never reached "full-sized". Also, I was lucky if any of the guppies I got from anywhere lived more than a few months. Well as an update. The Angel overcame the saprolenia all by it's self. I wasn't even able to start treatment on it. I was going to after a weekend I was out of town, but the infection healed by the time I came back. This is good news I've been feeding them frozen blood worms. Lots of fish in my tank love them. I know they are not better than live worms, but It's the best I can get around here. |
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Post by Carl on Aug 7, 2014 16:27:00 GMT -5
GREAT!
This makes a point I try and drive home in my Aquarium Disease Prevention and Aquarium Medications article and that is often good water conditions and the correct equipment can make more of a difference than all the Meds in the world,
As an analogy using myself just last night, I was diagnosed with viral Meningitis and the Dr. stated that basically my environment was a major player in getting this and successful recovery, especially since it does not respond to antibiotics
Carl
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Aug 7, 2014 17:25:03 GMT -5
Yes, I try to keep my parameters in check all the time. With all the filtration I have this usually is not a problem. I'm also run a sterilizer a level two sterilization, which gives me a piece of mind that water quality is not going to make the problem worst. I also always keep in mind mineralization for a healthy immunity and overall great rebox.
Carl, I think it's time for that tote and relax time in some heavy mineral/Epsom water... Remember what I was talking about with the nerves? Nobel Peace Prize...Hello!
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Just to name a few, some examples are Photobucket, Flickr, Facebook (not it's primary purpose, but it has lots of image capabiltities), and ImageShack. Don't worry, you'll get the hang out of it. 
Never figured out what was wrong with "her".]