ADF Eye injury or wound? Not really sure

[sammiesam]

Tank Size: 10g
Age of the tank: 4 yrs
pH:
Ammonia:
NitrAtes:
nitrites:
GH/KH:
Temperature: 78-80F
Fish:

African Dwarf Frog, about a year and a half old

Symptoms:

So I never noticed this when I was doing a water change in the tank earlier in the afternoon, which is why I am wondering if I just didn't see it or if it just happened so it is an injury. It's pretty obviously to see so I'm thinking it might be an injury but that might be more hopeful than anything.

His right eye is full of blood, its just like one big blood blister. It's not any bigger than the eye normally is, just filled with blood it looks like, I can't see his actual eyeball under it. There's a sort of haze around his eye with a really light spot right at the end of the eye.

Last night I dropped methylene blue directly onto the eye and there is melafix in the tank already because I decided to move rufus back after PI attacked him again.

Any other ideas about what to do with this or what it could be? i tried to do some research but finding any info on ADFs is nearly impossible.

[Carl]

I think both the use of Methylene Blue directly in his eye and the Melafix is a good start (& possibly all that may be necessary)

I would look closely to see if it is possible to determine if this is caused by an injury or not.
My reason for this suggestion is if this is an injury, this mean that what you have already done for this frog has a good probability of working; however if this is diseased caused you likely may need to treat with a more strong medication (A disease may invade an injury further complicating treatment)

A stronger swab would consist of the use of Potassium Permanganate, while an in tank treatment using Triple Sulfa may be necessary (this is especially used for injuries that have become infected). Erythromycin may be a further step up in tank treatment.

Carl

[sammiesam]

So I have decided it is an infection, the white spot on his eye is bigger, im pretty sure its columnaris.
So I have furan 2 i will use tonight, that's all i have right now, but I will get some more meds as soon as I can.

[Carl]

Furan 2 is a good choice, continue attempting to swab the area of possible infection as well, if possible switch to Potassium Permanganate (it is stronger for this type of infection over Methylene Blue)

Carl

[goldenpuon]

I don't have as much experience as Carl but I'd say you are using the right medications for treatment. Didn't know fish medications could work for a frog. lol Hope it gets better.

[bikeguy33]

many medications including human medications used for infections are packaged and named differently. this is not to recomend going through your medicine cabinet and start administering all the meds in there though. you must first understand active medications and doses. the most common one to use in humans and fish and amphibians is a human multi-vitamin. they are very similar in ingredients for a much much lower price

[goldenpuon]

That's very interesing/informative Bill. Does that mean I it is safe to put human multi-vitamens in the water for my fish?

(Hope I'm not getting too much off the topic of your thread Sammiesam)

[bikeguy33]

not a vitamin dropped in....but you can crush a vitamin and mix it with tank water to add

[sammiesam]

ummmm So....

I come back from the weekend teaching in golden and one of the frogs is dead, the weird thing is, it was the one I was sure was completely healthy. The other guy is still kicking and looking the same, eye is no better or worse and I have been treating with anti-biotics - furan 2 so that's obviously not working at all, any other ideas?

Also any ideas what killed my other seemingly healthy frog. When I found him he was blown up, like dropsy for frogs, it's kind of the same as the pics I looked at. :S

[Carl]

I am not sure exactly of the cause.
What I do know is that cold blooded animals tend to get more gram negative infections (warm blooded tend toward more gram positive)

Furan 2 is primarily gram negative and not readily absorbed.
Kanamycin is more readily absorbed and a little more wide spectrum.

Did you swab the eye with Potassium Permanganate?

You might consider using either Kanamycin or Erythromycin (gram positive).
Try isolating him in a bare tank if possible.

BTW, sorry about the ADF you lost

Carl

[sammiesam]

So now that I can see his eye a bit better, I realized that he actually.....doesn't have an eye anymore, it's gone. So I have come to the conclusion that he injured it or something happened to it and he lost it, he's still the same as he has been since I first noticed it, I am doing one more bout of anti-biotics since I stopped treatment short last time and was out of town for awhile so there was no treatment, to just make sure it stays clean and heals well and I guess that's bout it, I have no idea how it happened, but i think he might be okay

[Carl]

As long as infection does not set in, your ADF likely can live a happy/healthy life with just one eye.

Although I have not had one-eyed ADFs before, I have had many fish that have lost an eye (or even both) live quite some time.

Carl

[bikeguy33]

if no one is blind siding him he`ll be fine.....fish smell and taste water very well. any fry pirrhanna tank with a few fish will have individuals with NO eyes. they do quite well