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Post by danny on Dec 22, 2009 6:26:28 GMT -5
one of my flowerhorn is again showing some early signs of internal parasites..i am thinking of using metrodinazole right away.is that a good idea?which would be best?levamisol or metrodinazole?... i'll buy some tablets in a pharmacy tomorrow..how much should i apply in a 10gallon quarantine tank?..and is it dangerous if levamisol and metrodinazole got mixed?
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Post by Carl on Dec 22, 2009 10:48:29 GMT -5
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Post by goldenpuon on Dec 22, 2009 14:34:40 GMT -5
Just to add to Carl's post, is there anything in the aquarium that could be responsible for the reappearance of internal parasites.
Too small a tank, incorrect water conditions, feeding the fish food that contains parasites, etc. I'm not saying anything is wrong with your tank. I'm just trying to help weed out any possible causes.
Best of luck!
Renee
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Post by bikeguy33 on Dec 23, 2009 0:11:38 GMT -5
what are the new symptoms??
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Post by danny on Dec 23, 2009 5:51:42 GMT -5
should i do all together at the same time?salt bath plus meth blue with metronidazole and levamisole?if not,what should i perform 1st?how bout the dosage?i have some 250mg tablets..should put 1 whole tablet in the tank(10gallons)...
poun,i guess water conditions is 1 factor plus i guess some parasites were accidentally transfered.
symptoms are sudden shaking of heads and then a bit loss of apetite.
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Post by Carl on Dec 23, 2009 10:55:00 GMT -5
bikeguys point is important, & I am glad he asked this as it is easy to assume that because other fish have been sick with parasites that all subsequent infections are related. The symptoms you described can be parasite, however it can be other infections as well, such as Ichthyphonus fungi (which is VERY difficult to treat, but much easier to prevent). The baths should include the MB and salt, Metronidazole can also be added. However the Metronidazole along with the Levamisol should also be fed for best results Aquarium Answers; Fish BathsCarl
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Post by danny on Jan 6, 2010 2:54:27 GMT -5
hi guys,sorry been busy...i just want to ask,what if my flowerhorn swallowed a whole 250mg metronidazole??..i put the tablet in the tank,at 1st it just munch the tablet.1st i thought it was good thinking that the med would go inside the tummy.but when it swallowed the tablet,i got worried..is that bad??
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Post by Carl on Jan 6, 2010 9:54:52 GMT -5
Likely your Flowerhorn will be fine with just one overdose (in humans large doses are used to treat Brain abscesses, as in high doses, metronidazole penetrates the brain)
Continued overdose can cause mutagenic effects of the gut.
Carl
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Post by goldenpuon on Jan 6, 2010 17:42:02 GMT -5
I never heard of a fish eat a tablet like that. You said that your fish had loss of appetite for some of their symptoms. If they have not been fed recently, it might be a good idea to since the fish considering one ate an entire tablet that must not taste good. But this is just a guess.
On the contrary, you do want your fish to get a good amount of the medicane in them so if they eat a little, I don't seem any harm. But like Carl mentioned, a fish eating a whole tablet wouldn't be a good thing to make regular.
If possible, maybe you could crush the tablet into a powder to prevent the fish from eating the whole thing or if you want it to ingest a little, maybe leave out a tiny chunk and mix the rest in with the water. Hope that helps.
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Post by danny on Jan 8, 2010 23:08:31 GMT -5
it had a good effect so far,he is starting to eat again,although it is limited to some of my guppies and small pellets.he won't eat the big ones he usually eat.probably weakened that's why he can't take the hard pellets yet.
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Post by kagome on Jan 9, 2010 17:37:24 GMT -5
Is it possible he could have picked up some sort of parasite from the live fish you feed him? That could very well be the source of the trouble.
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Post by danny on Jan 10, 2010 4:33:27 GMT -5
that maybe,...i think these parasites have been living in my waters for a while now.and it may have been transferred from one tank to another accidentally.the guppies i am feeding this flowerhorn is in fact sacrifice because they are not feeders at all.they are part of my collections.it's just that i love my flowerhorn more(talk about being prejudiced).hehe!
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Post by charlize on Jan 10, 2010 11:10:59 GMT -5
Don't use feeders. If for whatever reason you are getting rid of guppies from another tank,try and rehome them. Obviuosly you have transfered parasites from one tank to another and your fish is suffering for it.All the more reason not to feed a FH other fish.Most fish have no reason to be feed other fish,and FH are one of these fish. Beefheart,bloodworms,crickets and night crawlers are much better,and safer ways to get your fish protein.Feeding these things along with veggie foods and other commerical food for FH,will give your fish the balanced diet it needs.
Good Luck.
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Post by Carl on Jan 10, 2010 15:59:23 GMT -5
Charlize makes an excellent point as to better choices for fish food than feeders which long term use can cause a thiamine deficiency which in turn weakens the fish to disease/parasites. The only food noted I would caution long term use of is Beef Heart which is difficult to digest (especially in older fish) and can cause issues of its own fed long term in much quantity. See this article for more about this: Fish Nutrition; Ingredients, Beef HeartCarl
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Post by danny on Jan 11, 2010 4:22:52 GMT -5
i appreciate the answer and point charlize,i was sure that my guppies are healthy for i feed them good foods and i don't treat them as feeders.feeders are not included in my fish's diet,i only "sacrificed" some of my female guppies coz i don't want my fh to starve.anyways,my fh is now eating but for the meantime i only feed him prawn foods.
i just want to ask since food,live foods in particular is in topic. fh keepers do this "technique" which they claim to boost fh color and health.1st is to feed super/king worms with high quality pellets until they turn red.when they are red,that is the best time to feed them to the fish.is this true?i'm a bit skeptic bout this since most fh keeper who claim these are superticious,especially us asians.hehe!any scientific explanation behind this?
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Post by Carl on Jan 11, 2010 10:19:52 GMT -5
i just want to ask since food,live foods in particular is in topic. fh keepers do this "technique" which they claim to boost fh color and health.1st is to feed super/king worms with high quality pellets until they turn red.when they are red,that is the best time to feed them to the fish.is this true?i'm a bit skeptic bout this since most fh keeper who claim these are superticious,especially us asians.hehe!any scientific explanation behind this? This is essentially gut loading and not only is this s proven fact that it can improve health, but also colors. Wild carnivorous fish will get what is in the gut of their "prey", however most aquarium keepers feed worms or other feeder fish that are void of this essential part of carnivore nutrition as the worms or other feeders often have not been fed for days. See: Fish Nutrition; Gut LoadingCulling otherwise healthy fish is generally safe for feeding, plus these fish often are well fed. I would avoid culling fish from sick tanks, or with a history of problems. An example of a safe fish to cull and feed would be a fish such as Platy that has been healthy, eats well, but is deformed or of undesirable colors. Carl
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Post by danny on Jan 13, 2010 5:44:25 GMT -5
i see,..i have read that article of yours before..i assume "gut loading" can also be applied when medicating a fish?
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Post by Carl on Jan 13, 2010 9:28:45 GMT -5
i see,..i have read that article of yours before..i assume "gut loading" can also be applied when medicating a fish? Yes, if I understand your question correctly. Carl
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Post by danny on Jan 16, 2010 4:53:32 GMT -5
i have started gathering/stocking some guppies to use the for "gut loading" when medicating in case some of my fish would be sick.
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