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Mar 18, 2009 18:28:20 GMT -5
Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 18, 2009 18:28:20 GMT -5
don`t throw the fish away....get pix of anything unusual....skin markings, color, etc
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Mar 18, 2009 18:30:58 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 18, 2009 18:30:58 GMT -5
Oops...I already did...But I did look at her pretty good. It was the peacock too by the way. I didn't see anythin unusual per say...It did look a little pink on the under belly but I don't know if that was anything or if it was from other fish picking at her dead body. This is really concerning me and I may have to consider medicating the whole tank.
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Mar 18, 2009 18:39:23 GMT -5
Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 18, 2009 18:39:23 GMT -5
don`t start medicating yet....sometimes the wrong med can cause more damage than good...examine the existing fish well....look for ANYTHING. check water....offer all possible....
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Mar 18, 2009 18:44:00 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 18, 2009 18:44:00 GMT -5
I did just test water again and it tests out fine. All my fish seem to acting a touch weird right now as well. They are all kind of in the back of the tank together. Weird!!!!
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Mar 18, 2009 18:49:09 GMT -5
Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 18, 2009 18:49:09 GMT -5
what were your readings?
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Mar 18, 2009 18:49:52 GMT -5
Post by eve on Mar 18, 2009 18:49:52 GMT -5
sorry if that was already mentioned somewhere but when was your last water change also was there any change in food, water conditioners or salt levels, if you even add salt
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Mar 18, 2009 19:06:42 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 18, 2009 19:06:42 GMT -5
Readings were 0 for ammonia and nitrites...10-20 for nitrates Ph 8.0
I just did a water change last night and am gonna do another tonight...Before last night is was Sunday the 9th. I always do my tanks every Sunday...I did Tuesday this week rather then Sunday because my mom was here for my daughters B-day.
Oh, and the answer is no to changes in food and water conditions. Unless something has changed in our water that there isn't a test for, but I have noticed any issues yet in any of my other tanks.
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Mar 18, 2009 19:32:44 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 18, 2009 19:32:44 GMT -5
Now my fish are more scattered.. "Duh" when I said that I didn't stop to think it was probably just because I had put the net in there to scoop out the dead one. Also, after thinking about it the peacock hadn't been in there as long...Probably only a couple months. I didn't think about it because she came from my one of my other tanks. So, so far it has gone in order of the newest fish in the tank.
Also, has anyone used or heard of lifeguard all in one treatment with haloguard? Could I use this? I am only asking as I have no money till friday, so if meds are needed immediately I may not have what is needed. all I have on hand are Maracyn TC (tetracycline) and metrindazole.
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Mar 18, 2009 20:06:00 GMT -5
Post by murdock6701 on Mar 18, 2009 20:06:00 GMT -5
Now my fish are more scattered.. "Duh" when I said that I didn't stop to think it was probably just because I had put the net in there to scoop out the dead one. Also, after thinking about it the peacock hadn't been in there as long...Probably only a couple months. I didn't think about it because she came from my one of my other tanks. So, so far it has gone in order of the newest fish in the tank. Also, has anyone used or heard of lifeguard all in one treatment with haloguard? Could I use this? I am only asking as I have no money till friday, so if meds are needed immediately I may not have what is needed. all I have on hand are Maracyn TC (tetracycline) and metrindazole. if it was HITH, I would say metrindazole but I'm not a didseas expert as Carl or Bill, only from what I have read - I'm sorry Brenda - I have been doing some obscure scouting and coming up blank! your water paramters are good - isf they were bad I's say something else - hold old is your test kit? just a stab in the dark here, not meaning to sound mistrustful
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Mar 18, 2009 20:09:26 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 18, 2009 20:09:26 GMT -5
The test kits are all under a year old.
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Mar 18, 2009 20:45:33 GMT -5
Post by murdock6701 on Mar 18, 2009 20:45:33 GMT -5
I just opened a bag of dogfood that expires in November 09 that came w/ a coupon that expired November 07! I buy my test kits from an aquarium maintenace place - don't trust dept stores or Petsmart - don't mean to sound negative, just trying to help solve your problem
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Mar 18, 2009 22:37:02 GMT -5
Post by Carl on Mar 18, 2009 22:37:02 GMT -5
Oops...I already did...But I did look at her pretty good. It was the peacock too by the way. I didn't see anythin unusual per say...It did look a little pink on the under belly but I don't know if that was anything or if it was from other fish picking at her dead body. This is really concerning me and I may have to consider medicating the whole tank. I am really sorry for your dead peacock now. Are you sure there is not a predatory fish causing this problem, as I have been giving this some thought this afternoon and re-looked at your picture with the sore, which appears a sore that may have started as an injury.. The other thought is the Trematode theory, which admittedly I did not think the sore looked quite right for, but this may have hidden the tissue damage from the erupting trematode. As well trematodes do not spread via the water column, but via fecal matter (such as the ingestion there of). The reason I have doubts for water column disease spread is the presence of the UV. For this reason the Jungle Lifeguard likely would not be a good choice as it is an oxidizer, which primarily will affect the water column. Although not likely HITH or HLLE, the use of Metronidazole, especially added to the food (soaked about 15 minutes in a slurry) can be helpful for this. The Jungle products Parasite Clear and/or Anti-Parasite Medicated Food would be good choices to try. I would also give your gravel a thorough vacuuming and make sure your food is clean (although I doubt a problem here) If this is the problem, this is generally introduced via new fish, and the time line fits the pattern well from my experience (not that this proves it either). This is not to indite your fish source, as trematodes are difficult to prevent, EVEN with Quarantine. Carl
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Mar 18, 2009 23:11:49 GMT -5
Post by kagome on Mar 18, 2009 23:11:49 GMT -5
I'm so sorry that you are having so much trouble with this tank! I can sympathize. The symptoms you were describing made me think of this article that I found when I was doing research once we had pretty much narrowed it down that my fish had strep. I really hope that your guys don't have strep, it turned out really badly for me despite all efforts. Part of what made me think of this particular article is that it says that not all fish will show the same clinical signs and that a resistant strain will kill fish slowly over time rather than a rapid die off. I know this article is for Tilapia but I thought it was still worth consideration. www.thefishsite.com/articles/190/streptococcus-in-tilapiaI truly hope that things turn around for you!
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Mar 18, 2009 23:29:08 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 18, 2009 23:29:08 GMT -5
Carl...Of course it could be a naughty fish, but as much as I watch my tank I have never seen hardley any aggression at all...Other then very minimal chasing during spawning. Carl, what do you think of this lifeguard all in one treatment...It states it is for bacterial and fungal and parasites? ? It says it is some "new" technology. I have had it for a while but never used it. Thanks kagome...I know you of all people understand!!! I will check out the article.
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Mar 19, 2009 9:37:04 GMT -5
Post by Carl on Mar 19, 2009 9:37:04 GMT -5
First, that was an excellent current article about Strep kagome, it seemed to be very current with research coming from the Aquaculture industry, which is generally more reliable than the aquarium hobby. I generally use university studies that are aimed for this industry for my research to update or write new articles. I wll add this as a reference to the Aquarium Answers Streptococcus Article. I note too (from a university study) that a vaccine may be the best coarse of action in the future. Brenda; Jungle has some excellent products, however this particular product is an oxidizer similar to how Potassium Permangante works. Your UV basically has the EXACT same affect on pathogens in the water column as an oxidizer, so my point is if your UV is not preventing this problem, the Jungle Lifeguard will not either. Carl
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Mar 19, 2009 10:34:39 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 19, 2009 10:34:39 GMT -5
Carl, could my UV not be working up to par? I know I need a new bulb for it. I have had this one since September. I plan on getting one from you, hopefully in about a month…Just been really tight on money.
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Mar 19, 2009 11:59:39 GMT -5
Post by Carl on Mar 19, 2009 11:59:39 GMT -5
Carl, could my UV not be working up to par? I know I need a new bulb for it. I have had this one since September. I plan on getting one from you, hopefully in about a month…Just been really tight on money. After about 6 months, a UVC lamp goes through a "half life", meaning your output is about 50% of new, after another 6 months it will be half again (meaning the output will be 25% of new). This may not be helping, but if this is a trematode infection or any infection being spread by fecal matter or even other fish feeding on dead fish that succumbed to whatever the disease may be (including Strep.), the UV even in peak condition will not directly help with. However a peak functioning UV does help indirectly via improved Redox which results in better fish immunity. Carl
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