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Post by jonv on Jan 19, 2009 23:27:07 GMT -5
More then likely, those are the new Fulu's John. They should appear silver looking, and some look plain some have some nice black markings already. This is the group I got in back on Tuesday. I got 10 for 55.00 that included overnight shipping. This is the same species that Barb has posted earlier, the Christmas Fulu. It's a Victorian that I think you can only find in tank kept settings now, not positive though. If not, it's extremely endangered. When full grown, the males display basically Christmas like colors. Dark hues of Green, Blue and Red. Beautiful looking fish when adult.
Thanks Brenda. I can only assume here at this point that those are likely males. Very soon, I'm going to move them over to the 180 and see how that goes. Let it be said again, what Bill mentioned pages back, I've clearly seen, and agree now, Tilapia are very very mean fish. When these guys fight, they get into some really ugly fights. The size you see in the clip, I am thinking is about 2.5-3 inches.
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Post by brenda on Jan 19, 2009 23:30:10 GMT -5
Wow...They seem bigger then that. I have seen pics of adults of these fish and they are very beautiful. How many is in your group of these guys?
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Post by jonv on Jan 19, 2009 23:33:36 GMT -5
I picked this group up off CF trade post back in June. I got six for like 30.00? Something like that and he did indicate he had more. This was about the time I was also tipped into trying to obtain more rare types of fish. Out of the six, those two are the ones getting the darkest and showing the most spots. The others hardly ever show any spots and look very plain and grey looking. I want to test this by seperating at least one of those males and 1 of the plainer looking ones to the 180 and see if this causes any color changes in the ones that stay behind. If I see no changes, even say taking those two darker ones out, I'd have to conclude, those plain ones definetly are female.
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Post by jonv on Jan 20, 2009 17:36:20 GMT -5
Ok now I'm freaking PISSED. Lotje just called from over in the house and the damn Dat is dead. That guy was 2 years old and growing out so well. F F F F F F F! Now I got to start all over again. Finding the type I had too is next to impossible. I called Daves but they don't carry them. He's going to call back though to see if he can find someone that does. The local guy I got my Pytcho's from has them but he's got the Datniodes Campbelli and Undecimradiatus. Not the types I'm looking for, plus the cheapest ones I've seen are at least 60.00. I'd consider trading my Malaysian Golden Jardini for a nice Dat though. Anyone want to help me locate a seller?
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Post by jonv on Jan 20, 2009 20:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by brenda on Jan 20, 2009 20:59:20 GMT -5
Cool...I was able tosee them!!
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Post by Carl on Jan 20, 2009 21:55:15 GMT -5
WOW Jon, your 180 is nice and busy aquarium  I think the Paratilapia Polleni are coming along well, sorry to read about your Dat. though One question, you said Bythobates get about 12-13 cms full grown, Synderea, about 6-7.Since I am learning here, this seems small to me, did you mean inches or is 12-13 cm correct? Carl |
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Post by jonv on Jan 20, 2009 21:59:00 GMT -5
Both in CM's Carl. That from everything I looked up is the one and only difference between these two species. That really makes a mind think, maybe one is just a dwarf version of the other you know? If you take a look at the images of the two species, they literally do look alike. I can find no visable differences between the two, other then the reported adult sizes.
I was able to capture that messed up jawbone of that big one pretty good in that last shot. It's got to be some kind of defromity. It looks like the jaw itself either has an extra bone that juts out the front of the jaw/mouth or it's been misformed from the get go. His mouth almost looks like a Parrot's mouth. Yet, he still outgrows all the others, so I have to think, this isn't effecting his ability to get food.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Jan 21, 2009 1:49:10 GMT -5
Jon....if you really want that Dat and can figure a way to ship without the customs bs....I`d be more than willing to help. Canada really seems to be a country of cichlids. can find almost anything. call with the details....
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Post by jonv on Jan 21, 2009 17:21:36 GMT -5
Bill, Dat's aren't cichlids, it's well I'm not really sure what group it falls under to be honest. It's like the species has different groups. I'm fairly confident the one I had was a Datniodes Microlepis, but there are also Sp. Campbelli and the ones from New Guinea also. I guess some call it a tiger barb also, but that sure would be one giant mutated tiger barb ha ha. I found a guy that has the NGT's and a third group called undecimeradus. He's selling his for about 60.00 and I asked if Absolutely Fish, over in Clifton, a huge store, could get an order in for a Microlepis. If you do find someone up there that has Datniodes, let me know please. The water is a little more clear now in the tank after the cleaning. You really still can't see the fish well, even with my eyes, you can't make out much of what they really look like at this size, but you can see the small bodies a bit better now today. Consider this also. That Cory and the Yellows you see passing in front, are basically 1 inch max size, so that might give you an idea of just how small these guys are. They are about 10 days old post hatching. s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/knottypeater/?action=view¤t=012109_1703a.flvs200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/knottypeater/?action=view¤t=012109_1703b.flv |
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Post by eve on Jan 21, 2009 18:17:25 GMT -5
on the second video you can really see them, thanks  |
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Post by jonv on Jan 22, 2009 16:10:25 GMT -5
Me gots a bad bad feeling here. I can only hope these guys are like hiding or something. Dad is sitting there, but he sure ain't being much of a watch dog, and I haven't seen the fry out and around all day. I might pick up the shells to look for stragglers. I've heard some posts on this species, they do have a tendancy to eat their offspring, but it seems weird to grow them up for 10 days and watch over them, just to eat them. s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/knottypeater/?action=view¤t=012209_1604a.flv |
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Post by eve on Jan 22, 2009 16:13:03 GMT -5
i don't know if it is the same for this species, but as we know many other cichlids will eat their offspring on their first try
i hope this is not the case here though, fingers crossed
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Post by jonv on Jan 22, 2009 16:17:59 GMT -5
Only a handful of articles are out there on this species Eve. It's one of the Madagascars. I have seen some people that have bred this species, recommending that when you see the eggs and sure they are fertilized to just take them out yourself and put them in their own tank. I'm not well experienced in that, but assuming they are gone, next time around, in a couple weeks, I'll just put the male and the two females alone in the 15 to see if I can get them to go and after I see the sites free swimming, I'll take them out.
There was quite a few of them so I'm figuring, some might have taking up hiding among the shells.
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Post by jonv on Jan 22, 2009 16:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Jan 22, 2009 17:26:42 GMT -5
Sorry about the fry Jon, but maybe Eve has a point.
As a side note, after looking at your links here, I am amazed at the similarity of the Ptychochromis oligacanthus to soem American Cichlids such as the Texas Cichlid.
Carl
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Post by bikeguy33 on Jan 22, 2009 17:47:41 GMT -5
Jon....i found your Dats. they are eating well and healthy. i can get 25% off of the 59.99$ price if 3 are bought....and prob 10 or 15% off of 2. now if you can figure out the customs i can send them as soon as sunday if you want them. these guys are 5-6" long. btw....the common name is siamese tiger fish or fine scale tiger fish.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Jan 22, 2009 17:57:40 GMT -5
btw....if you are wanting a couple, they`d prob hafta go in the 180 as all i have read they will quarrel with their own kind....
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Post by eve on Jan 22, 2009 18:54:38 GMT -5
geez, those are long articles  sorry, didn't have the time yet to read them however, i also don't know practically nothing about madagaskars, but so far in our all experiences they do have similar beavior patterns also, what i know from other cichlids as well, is that some of them will watch over their young for a certain period of time, and then abandom them to their fate so i think anything is possible here  |
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Post by jonv on Jan 22, 2009 19:21:55 GMT -5
I just find it really odd is all Eve. I would have thought that if they were just going to eat them up, they would have done so sooner and not raise and care for them for so long. I think next time what I'm going to do is just put the male and females isolated in the 15, wait until the eggs hatch, then take mom and dad out. This should solve that problem. I know that they should spawn again, but as like with your kribs, it's so disheartening to see them actually do it, and then, poof all gone, have to start again at square 1. I will check the shells later tonight and make sure none are hiding in there.
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