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Post by Carl on Oct 2, 2008 12:11:32 GMT -5
I once again updated my Aquarium Ich article for more clarity as to treament methods, but most of all in the Cryptocaryon (Marine Ich) section in dealing with the Hyposalinity treatment method for which I found some really good university level research (which also explains why my personal use of this method met with so-so results, because I was not performing it right!!) Anyway, this is an update that finds me correcting myself. Aquarium Ich; Ichthyophthirius multifilis and Cryptocaryon irritans treatment, identification, and life cycleCarl |
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 2, 2008 15:04:06 GMT -5
Carl, just a question but have you studied newly bought feeder goldfish and the corellatiion between them getting ich and covering them with a blanket? Because I have found what I call "blanketing goldfish" in a high amount of darkness destresses them. The same seems to be the case for goldfish I buy that clamp their fins shortly afgfter tehy are bought. I have noticed tat "balnketed" goldfish rarely if not ever get ich and that "blanketing" makes a goldfish less likely to clmap its fins though if the fish is very very sick or stressed, it doesn't work super well. Just a though Carl, if you'd ever want to test that. I could give you the details of the setup I have done it in.
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Post by Carl on Oct 2, 2008 16:48:55 GMT -5
Carl, just a question but have you studied newly bought feeder goldfish and the corellatiion between them getting ich and covering them with a blanket? Because I have found what I call "blanketing goldfish" in a high amount of darkness destresses them. The same seems to be the case for goldfish I buy that clamp their fins shortly afgfter tehy are bought. I have noticed tat "balnketed" goldfish rarely if not ever get ich and that "blanketing" makes a goldfish less likely to clmap its fins though if the fish is very very sick or stressed, it doesn't work super well. Just a though Carl, if you'd ever want to test that. I could give you the details of the setup I have done it in. Yes, this also can aid in marine Cryptocaryon as well. We added all our new feeder goldfish to a dark tank with Methylene Blue (no gravel), then they are added to the selling tank with a UV Sterilizer with a Medicated Wonder Shell (also bare bottom tank with multiple filtration). We NEVER had an Ich outbreak in our feeder tanks! Since I have not done a documented study using darkness only (meaning control groups vs. observation which is all I have done), I have published it as way to treat or prevent Ich, it has always been a part of other methods. Carl |
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 3, 2008 15:45:50 GMT -5
Cool. I wonder about clamps fisn though. I know blankets always work for mild cases of that.
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Post by Carl on Oct 3, 2008 18:31:01 GMT -5
Cool. I wonder about clamps fisn though. I know blankets always work for mild cases of that. It would depend on what the cause of clamped fins is as this is a symptom, not a disease/infestation per say. Often clamped fins is an early sign of Ich or Velvet, for which this may help, however for other causes such as bacterial or even water condition induced this would be useless. An example is taking an aspirin, this may work for many causes of headaches, if you have a brain tumor this will do little. It is also important to note that the use of "lights out" for Velvet treatment has been debunked not only by me but by other studies of the flagellate protozoan that causes Velvet since the use of Chloroplasts only is important during the lifecyle of this parasite when not attached to fish, but when attached they derive their nutrients from the fish. Please see this article for more about Velvet: Aquarium Answers; VelvetCarl |
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Post by jonv on Oct 3, 2008 18:41:12 GMT -5
I read this one over as it was assumed that my Yellow Tailed Asian Arowana I had last year died from Costia, but when I think about this more and more, I'm thinking this was Columnaris really. Carl, what happens to a fish if say you treated with Formalin combined with a salt bath, thinking this was Costia, but really had Columnaris? The fish died overnight, and maybe I started treating too late, not sure. Didn't really see any signs something was wrong until it was too late though. Would Formalin with a salt bath effect Columnaris at all?
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Post by Carl on Oct 3, 2008 19:05:57 GMT -5
I read this one over as it was assumed that my Yellow Tailed Asian Arowana I had last year died from Costia, but when I think about this more and more, I'm thinking this was Columnaris really. Carl, what happens to a fish if say you treated with Formalin combined with a salt bath, thinking this was Costia, but really had Columnaris? The fish died overnight, and maybe I started treating too late, not sure. Didn't really see any signs something was wrong until it was too late though. Would Formalin with a salt bath effect Columnaris at all? Yes, but more so the salt bath as there are many good University studies (not to mention my own) proving the effectiveness of salt on Columnaris. Carl |
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 4, 2008 11:39:40 GMT -5
Well, with my scenario with feeder goldfish and clamped fins, I find whole tank at the petstore, sometimes nothing wrong with them but fin clamping. Then I atke one home that is not clamping and it starts. If I don't balnket them they die with their fins clamped and no obvious symtoms. I remmeber 1 winter the power went out and that's how I found out hwo to fix it. I was really worried because the temp was in the 30's oustid and the temp went down to 55 in the house. i coveredall my fish tanks with balnkets to keep the fish warm (even though now i wouldn't think that would help with warmth much for a fish tank. I ahd a feeder i had just gotten named Nemo who was clamping. I expected it to die my the other 12 tha had died with that 1 symtom. But when i checked on it after Iput the blanket on, it was swimming around and not clamping so I experimented and took the blanket on and off sevral times. I noctied every time I removed the balnket, the fish would clamp, when i put it back on, the fish would hold it's fins normally. So I left the blanket on the fish a week and the clamping stopped totally! Then I tried that with the next fish i got that clamped and it worked! Now I put a blanket over any nw goldfish i get, not that i am ever getting any more now though since even with the 45, all my tank will be overstocked.
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