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Post by mcr on Jan 10, 2019 0:35:08 GMT -5
I have a Platy I have been treating for columnaris and today after the methylene blue bath I noticed the white spot is now red. I have never dealt with this before but that doesn’t seem good. Anyone have this happen before? Any ideas on why it did happen will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Mark
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Post by Carl on Jan 10, 2019 9:33:51 GMT -5
Likely this "white" infection fell off, exposing raw tissue. As long as this is not too deep, it is more likely good news. A swab with AAP Wound Control would be suggested to prevent re-infection. Carl |
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Post by mcr on Jan 10, 2019 15:51:59 GMT -5
Well, the fish was dead this morning. I think it was bad genetics. It was the last of the platies we had that had inbred to the point that they all died with no apparent illness. They would be fine one day and dead the next. This is the only one that showed sign of being sick. The same thing happened with our guppies. I now have three male guppies that have grown to adults and seem healthy. We are starting over with both guppies and platies and are going to separate the fry from the adults before they have a chance to inbred again. If I breed the three remaining guppies with fresh females will I still have genetic problems with them? I removed the sick platy as soon as I noticed it was sick and none of the other fish show any signs of illness. How long should I wait to add fish or move fish to other tanks? I added salt to that tank as soon as I took the sick fish out.
Thanks again, Mark
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Post by Carl on Jan 11, 2019 10:12:41 GMT -5
Sorry to read this.
I would agree with genetics.
In fact I used Platties in my experiments back in the 70s & 80s for many controlled studies because they went through generations so quickly. I found they often inbred readily if not controlled.
Carl
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Post by mcr on Jan 15, 2019 1:07:24 GMT -5
I had a guppy start getting sick today from the tank I took the platy out of. Not sure if it is columnaris or not. There was no white on him but his skin did look a little grey. I put salt in that tank as soon as I found the first sick fish. Is there any thing else I should do to the tank? How long before I can know the rest of the fish are safe from getting sick?
Thanks, Mark
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 15, 2019 12:13:58 GMT -5
I would make sure your water is in check, that's the best preventive. 3-5KH and using wonder shells.
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Post by Carl on Jan 15, 2019 13:40:57 GMT -5
I would also perform a fish bath with salt and MethyBlu (Methylene Blue)I would wait on a whole tank treatment for the time being unless further symptoms or fish show problems Carl |
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Post by mcr on Jan 15, 2019 22:05:40 GMT -5
I would make sure your water is in check, that's the best preventive. 3-5KH and using wonder shells. I checked the water as soon as I found the first sick fish. 0 ammonia and nitrites, 10 nitrates, 7.6 PH, 3 KH, 10 GH with wonder shell. every thing is real close to the same now. I’m thinking just poor genetics. Thanks, Mark |
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Post by mcr on Jan 15, 2019 22:16:55 GMT -5
There is no need for treatment, I put him down. I am starting over with all guppies and platies. They are too inbred I fear. Hopefully the rest are healthy enough to rehome later. How long should the tank be free from sick fish before it’s safe to move them with other fish? Thanks, again |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 16, 2019 12:06:52 GMT -5
How long should the tank be free from sick fish before it’s safe to move them with other fish? If I understand the question correct, it depends on the illness and the cause. For a fish that's recovering from Columnaris and the cause was say bullying, you wouldn't want to reintroduce unless the bullying issue is fixed or the fish would just contract the illness again. If the bullying is fixed, the fish can be added back as soon as it's healed. Bacterial diseases, the same. Once the fish heals and the bacterial cause like build-up is cleaned, the fish can be added back. Parasites are a different story. |
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Post by mcr on Jan 16, 2019 21:29:55 GMT -5
The fish that were sick are gone. I’m just concerned about the fish that are left in the tank. Does the columnaris stay around for any specific length of time or was it just in the sick fish?
Thanks,Mark
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 17, 2019 12:02:36 GMT -5
The fish that were sick are gone. I’m just concerned about the fish that are left in the tank. Does the columnaris stay around for any specific length of time or was it just in the sick fish? Thanks,Mark It's a bacteria that's usually always present in an aquarium. Best is just to use preventive steps. |
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Post by Carl on Jan 17, 2019 12:03:48 GMT -5
The fish that were sick are gone. I’m just concerned about the fish that are left in the tank. Does the columnaris stay around for any specific length of time or was it just in the sick fish? Thanks,Mark Columnaris is a bacterial pathogen that is almost always present (along with Aeromonas). It simply is opportunistic and then becomes virulent. Think of the causes of Pneumonia in humans; these pathogens are often present, they simply take advantage of a weakened immune system which is why Pneumonia was the main cause of death among persons with AIDS. So you need to wait a few weeks for things to settle down and make sure no there are as few stressors as possible as Devon pointed out. Carl |
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Post by mcr on Jan 18, 2019 21:47:49 GMT -5
OK, thanks everyone for the help
Mark
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