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Post by childofiam on Jan 30, 2017 13:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Jan 30, 2017 14:13:57 GMT -5
I have only heard of the product, no practical experience It looks like a good idea though Some thoughts: POSITIVES *I like that it test free ammonia NH3, not total ammonia (but so does the inexpensive SeaChem Ammonia Alert) *Temperature could be helpful ina rare heater failure (usually heaters fail to simply work, resulting in a temperature drop) NEGATIVES *Price seems almost too good *I would prefer KH over pH, or at least in addition, but this is a minor complaint *Low water is something a reasonably maintained aquarium should not ever have an issue with, even with high evaporation sumps. As for breakage, leakage, this is not only rare, but by the time you alert tells you there is a problem, it will betoo late. So I question this feature If you get one, your professional feedback would should be appreciated! Carl
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 30, 2017 14:21:31 GMT -5
While I've never used their meters, I've been in some lengthy conversions about them and it seems like people are in agreeance they're setting some good standards for monitoring devices. They're one of the few who also have a meter for PUR, which most will only have PAR. I'm a fan, but would be interested in others experiences.
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Post by childofiam on Jan 30, 2017 15:25:25 GMT -5
I like the tracking... like seeing the pH over time to see movement from dawn to dusk. I am not using CO2 to control pH anymore. I monitor my KH and maintain 35 ppm and my pH is pretty stable there at 6.9 If I bump my KH up to about 53 ppm my pH is 7.4 and I don't know if the Discus will spawn in this pH. Their is so much info that contradicts itself from one person to the next... so I am trying to follow people who have been breeding for more than ten years
The con for me is I would have to purchase a PC to use it and I don't like PC's but I did think about buying one to just use with this monitoring system if I get it.
Richard
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 30, 2017 17:39:17 GMT -5
I like the tracking... like seeing the pH over time to see movement from dawn to dusk. I am not using CO2 to control pH anymore. I monitor my KH and maintain 35 ppm and my pH is pretty stable there at 6.9 If I bump my KH up to about 53 ppm my pH is 7.4 and I don't know if the Discus will spawn in this pH. Their is so much info that contradicts itself from one person to the next... so I am trying to follow people who have been breeding for more than ten years The con for me is I would have to purchase a PC to use it and I don't like PC's but I did think about buying one to just use with this monitoring system if I get it. Richard Point Carl has always made to me is that it's not a certain pH, but a stable pH. He's told me of places breeding discus in harder water, no problem.
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Post by Carl on Jan 31, 2017 12:39:27 GMT -5
I like the tracking... like seeing the pH over time to see movement from dawn to dusk. I am not using CO2 to control pH anymore. I monitor my KH and maintain 35 ppm and my pH is pretty stable there at 6.9 If I bump my KH up to about 53 ppm my pH is 7.4 and I don't know if the Discus will spawn in this pH. Their is so much info that contradicts itself from one person to the next... so I am trying to follow people who have been breeding for more than ten years Does this device then give a long term tracking of pH and other parameters? Having such a graph would be interesting and helpful. But I still would like to see KH and Redox on this graph too As a PC user myself, what do you prefer? Carl
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Post by childofiam on Jan 31, 2017 13:58:35 GMT -5
I like the tracking... like seeing the pH over time to see movement from dawn to dusk. I am not using CO2 to control pH anymore. I monitor my KH and maintain 35 ppm and my pH is pretty stable there at 6.9 If I bump my KH up to about 53 ppm my pH is 7.4 and I don't know if the Discus will spawn in this pH. Their is so much info that contradicts itself from one person to the next... so I am trying to follow people who have been breeding for more than ten years Does this device then give a long term tracking of pH and other parameters? Having such a graph would be interesting and helpful. But I still would like to see KH and Redox on this graph too As a PC user myself, what do you prefer? Carl Yes this devise gives long term tracking. They say they are working on KH and the Marine one even measures PUR As far as computers I started out building PC at brooks micro systems for two years and traded my labor for knowledge and parts. But I switched over to MAC because of my photography and have been a Mac person ever sense. Richard
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Post by childofiam on Jan 31, 2017 17:42:32 GMT -5
Ok... So I just purchased the Seneye with a six month subscription. I also went over to Dell and purchased a desktop Inspiron 24 5000 Touch to run the thing. Total investment $1,400.00 The wife said I needed a new desktop PC so she can use it.
Richard
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Feb 1, 2017 14:23:20 GMT -5
well... that was investment. Something only someone very serious should ever do. Making me jealous with all these toys
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Post by Carl on Feb 1, 2017 14:54:27 GMT -5
Ok... So I just purchased the Seneye with a six month subscription. I also went over to Dell and purchased a desktop Inspiron 24 5000 Touch to run the thing. Total investment $1,400.00 The wife said I needed a new desktop PC so she can use it. Richard Congrats on your purchase! Will this not work with a MAC? Carl
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Post by childofiam on Feb 1, 2017 15:48:59 GMT -5
Ok... So I just purchased the Seneye with a six month subscription. I also went over to Dell and purchased a desktop Inspiron 24 5000 Touch to run the thing. Total investment $1,400.00 The wife said I needed a new desktop PC so she can use it. Richard Congrats on your purchase! Will this not work with a MAC? Carl The Seneye is PC only at this time. It shipped and is coming from over seas. They asked not to by from unauthorized merchants on eBay and this is where I first saw it. I purchased mine straight from Seneye to support the company. I have had good chit chat with their support center and there is a willingness to help with any problems installing and using the system. They said it takes a full 24 hours before you begin to see results in your charts. You have to purchase chips that connect you via internet to their network system that interprets all of the readings for your charts. These chips are only good for one month. Purchasing 6 months at a time is the cheapest at about 10 dollars per month and this is reasonable for me. If my pH is about to crash in the middle of the night or a sudden ammonia spike I will get a email alert and alarms go off on the PC through the software. I will set up a thread for the Seneye Review if you would like. Richard loves his toys....
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Feb 2, 2017 14:01:57 GMT -5
This will be fun!
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Post by childofiam on Feb 3, 2017 8:10:39 GMT -5
I received the new Dell touch pc yesterday afternoon and have it all set up. When the Seneye gets here we will start the install and review.
Richard
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Post by childofiam on Feb 4, 2017 19:02:50 GMT -5
I have set up the Seneye on my main tank. It took some time to get it figured out that the antivirus was interfering with the setup process but after I uninstalled it the install of the Seneye went smooth as can be. I have not found any cons yet so I will list what I have seen so far as I am still learning the software. 1) I was impressed by the ability of the software to calibrate the Seneye to my Hanna ORP/ pH meter readings. Now I can look at the screen and see the same pH I would see if I used my ORP/pH meter. I was also able to adjust the Temp to the actual Temp taken with a thermometer. It shows my Hh3 reading of .018 right now as to when I set this up earlier to day it read .016 2) I like being able to go online on any device and see what is going on in the tank. It takes a PC to run the software that in turn transmit all of the information to Seneye's server. This is where you see the graphs that has logged readings every couple minutes. You can take pictures of your readings and save to the PC to share with who ever. I was really impressed that the graphs showed the slight temp drop when I had the lid open doing todays test. It shows the date and military time of every reading. I also added RO waste water to the tank to bump up my KH and it recorded a bump in the pH for a short time and tomorrow is H2O change for this tank so I am excited to see what goes on with the pH after a H2O change. I wish it would read NO3 but for now the three reading I get are Ammonia/pH/Temp I can activate the light meter but it will cost another 60.00 to do that and I just don't need this feature with fresh water aquarium.
At $60.00 a pop you have Kelvin, PAR, LUX so that a total of $180.00 for all three. This would be great for saltwater tanks with corals.
Richard
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Post by childofiam on Feb 5, 2017 10:43:48 GMT -5
After doing a lot of reading on the Seneye site, I have learned that 1) It is best to soak the sensor for 48 hours in aquarium H2O before installing it and 2) The use of medical gloves need to be worn when handling the sensor to prevent oil from your hands contaminating it. Any oil on the sensor will turn it grey and the sensor needs to be installed under the water to prevent air being trapped between the sensor plates. When I installed the sensor, I did none of these steps and so my readings for the next 24 to 48 hours will not be accurate. After 48 hours I need to remove the sensor plate under the water to see if it has turned grey. I purchased the six month sensor supply bundle and it came with a sensor soaker that I can put the new sensor in to soak it for 24 to 48 hours before the old one expires. The devise chart keeps track of the days left of the sensor life so you won't forget to get a new one soaking. I had made adjustment with the calibration of the sensor before it was ready to take accurate readings and I saw a big rise in the pH before it stabilized. This reading did not match my ORP/pH meter as it stayed the same as earlier readings.
I also read a lot on KH from their site and they say the same things about the relationship of KH to pH and the bio field that Carl talks about in his articles. They do say that with Discus the KH should be a minimum of 80 ppm, with the exception of spawning tanks, to maintain a stable pH in low KH Discus tanks.
The only way I can achieve this and not drive my pH over 8 is to use Seachem buffers , Alkaline & acids as adding RO waste water to the RO to achieve a KH of 80 ppm drives my pH up to settle at 8.4
Any thoughts?
Richard
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Post by Carl on Feb 6, 2017 10:42:52 GMT -5
I also read a lot on KH from their site and they say the same things about the relationship of KH to pH and the bio field that Carl talks about in his articles. They do say that with Discus the KH should be a minimum of 80 ppm, with the exception of spawning tanks, to maintain a stable pH in low KH Discus tanks. The only way I can achieve this and not drive my pH over 8 is to use Seachem buffers , Alkaline & acids as adding RO waste water to the RO to achieve a KH of 80 ppm drives my pH up to settle at 8.4 Any thoughts? Richard Have you reduced the amount of alkaline buffer used and added natural acids buffer such as pillow moss? This may result in a KH of 50 ppm, but I still think this is a good number to prevent drastic pH swings. Carl
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Post by childofiam on Feb 6, 2017 11:07:53 GMT -5
I also read a lot on KH from their site and they say the same things about the relationship of KH to pH and the bio field that Carl talks about in his articles. They do say that with Discus the KH should be a minimum of 80 ppm, with the exception of spawning tanks, to maintain a stable pH in low KH Discus tanks. The only way I can achieve this and not drive my pH over 8 is to use Seachem buffers , Alkaline & acids as adding RO waste water to the RO to achieve a KH of 80 ppm drives my pH up to settle at 8.4 Any thoughts? Richard Have you reduced the amount of alkaline buffer used and added natural acids buffer such as pillow moss? This may result in a KH of 50 ppm, but I still think this is a good number to prevent drastic pH swings. Carl I had not thought about pillow moss. I still have a box so I will put this in the canister. I have also been reading on the Seneye site and found this article on Low KH and meters. I calibrated my Hanna ORP/pH meter with the single 4.01 and it matches the Seneye pH at its original calibration. My pH is not as high as I thought it was. The Seneye shows a stable pH of 7.22 over the last 24 hours and the Nh3 had a rise and then fall from .022 to .024 and then back to .022 in a 24 hour period. answers.seneye.com/en/water_chemistry/what_is_pH/effect_of_ionic_strength_on_PH_testsI have checked the sensor chip and luckily I did not contaminate it. It will take a month to see stable patterns in the chart but yesterday after I did a 30% H2O change there was a bump in the pH chart at the time of the H2O change. From what I see the sensor takes a reading every couple minutes for 30 minutes and then does a average reading and sends that to the web server. The web server then takes the 30 minutes readings to get the average numbers there so the more numbers you acquire, shows your stability in the chart. The charts show current readings and average readings to. I did move everything to the grow out tank instead of the planted tank yesterday. At some point I will add more sensors to the other tanks. Richard
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Post by Carl on Feb 6, 2017 14:26:28 GMT -5
One aspect of this meter if you can clear it up for me is what parameters does yours monitor. Maybe I misread, but it appears to be reading ORP and rH, or did I misread?
Also for myself and future readers, what are the options and do these require new probes and is software already in place?
Thanks
Carl
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Post by childofiam on Feb 6, 2017 15:29:19 GMT -5
One aspect of this meter if you can clear it up for me is what parameters does yours monitor. Maybe I misread, but it appears to be reading ORP and rH, or did I misread? Also for myself and future readers, what are the options and do these require new probes and is software already in place? Thanks Carl My Home Seneye as it is called, only measures pH, Nh3 and temp. The one for saltwater does light readings as well. They are, from what I read working on other parameters like ORP. You have to purchase new sensor chips, each chip last for 30 days. A six month package is $63.00 dollars
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Post by Carl on Feb 7, 2017 13:09:41 GMT -5
One aspect of this meter if you can clear it up for me is what parameters does yours monitor. Maybe I misread, but it appears to be reading ORP and rH, or did I misread? Also for myself and future readers, what are the options and do these require new probes and is software already in place? Thanks Carl My Home Seneye as it is called, only measures pH, Nh3 and temp. The one for saltwater does light readings as well. They are, from what I read working on other parameters like ORP. You have to purchase new sensor chips, each chip last for 30 days. A six month package is $63.00 dollars Thanks. From your feedback and once these have an ORP feature, I think these seem like a better and more importantly simple product to use than the Hanna. Do not get me wrong, Hanna makes some top notch products, which they have for years, but they also require a lot of maintenance and products for this maintenance. As well their expiration/best used by dates are poor. As well, while they certainly give excellent end user customer service, I feel their retailer support is poor. Carl
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