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Post by anti on Oct 15, 2015 18:22:51 GMT -5
Hello everyone, It seems that one of my disucs has developed, what I suspect is internal parasite. I noticed over that past week or so that he has keep himself separate from the rest of the the discus and his eyes look a little hazy. Today I noticed long white string of feces below him. None of the other 9 discus show any signs of distress and are very healthy. i dont know what has caused this being that my 170 gallon planted system stays at a constant 4 KH and 10 GH and 0 nitrates respectively. In addition a level 2 sterilization (at least i hope so anyway) and the temp fluctuates between 83.5 and 84.5 daily). My DOS (dissolved organic substance) reads around 348 ppm. Higher than what I would like but I'm sure there are alot of things contributing to that. And have two bags of purigen running. I only change 20 to 25% of the water weekly due to the 0 nitrates in the system. (seems that the plants suck it all up). In my opinion I believe that I have a very clean and stable system with good husbandry. Maybe these things just happen regardless.
I am considering dosing meds but not sure which way to go with this being my first real time with an actual sick fish. I looked over Carl's diesease guide and couldnt find the exact answer, but I'm sure I missed it. I do have some Levamisole HCI on hand but was very hesitant to use it as a preventative; especially after talking with a local vet who initially discouraged me from using if there was no visible problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Post by Carl on Oct 16, 2015 9:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by anti on Oct 16, 2015 15:52:04 GMT -5
I doubt very seriously that this fish will eat at this time. He doesnt seem that interested in food but the rare times he attempted to eat he just spits it out. I noticed that you didnt suggest levamisole HCI. I do have 20 grams of it with instructions. Oddly that this would happen since I did do a preventive treatment about a month ago with Prazipro. I suppose treating the tank with just Metronidazole would do huh? I could use the Neomycin Sulfate in food but I'm afraid just the other Discus would eat it up. They never leave leftovers. Is there a plan B?
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Post by Carl on Oct 16, 2015 16:22:10 GMT -5
I did not suggest Levamisole because I have serious doubts this is a parasite, based not only on symptoms, but your history (unless I missed something). The likelyhood a parasite popping up ina fish you have had for some time, under the care you provide is remote. However internal pathogens only need for some sort of opportunity and these pathogens are usually present in healthy fish. As for as plan B, I honestly would be giving you a false hope to state in tank treatments would be very effective, but admittedly if this were my Discus, I would try too The best I can suggest is a hospital tank with Kanamycin (which is absorbed) along with correct size Medicated Wonder Shell for this tank Resources: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/MedicatedWonderShell.htmlwww.americanaquariumproducts.com/Seachem.html#kanaplexCarl |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Oct 16, 2015 16:33:56 GMT -5
Maybe consider soaking the food into garlic juice. Minced garlic juice or SeaChem Garlic. It simulates appetite and boosts immunity. Since the other fish are doing ok, I have to think that the immunity is lower on this one fish.
Mix the meds in with the garlic food.
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Post by anti on Oct 16, 2015 18:53:22 GMT -5
ok thanks guys. Two very good suggestions. Going to try to find the meds locally but if I can't expect a purchase
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Post by anti on Oct 18, 2015 7:58:02 GMT -5
Hey Carl, I was able to get a hold of some KanaPlex, MetroPlex and Garlicguard locally and moved the fish into a hospial tank. I also have a medium and large medicated wondershell on hand. I guess I have two questions. First should I just dose the tank with Kanaplex and metroplex instead of putting it in food? Also do i use the medicated wondershell in conjunction with the other meds or as a followup treatment? I dont want to over medicate or kill him in this process. Thanks in advance . FYI I have him in a 20 gallon tank
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Post by Carl on Oct 18, 2015 10:48:31 GMT -5
The metroplex will not work in tank for the likely problem.
This along with the GarlicGuard is best in the food.
The Kanaplex would be used in conjunction with the Medicated Wonder Shell in a a Hospital tank
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Post by anti on Oct 18, 2015 11:19:17 GMT -5
ok just to be clear. give metroplex with garlic in food. dose tank with kplex and med. wondershell all at the same time.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Oct 18, 2015 12:01:48 GMT -5
ok just to be clear. give metroplex with garlic in food. dose tank with kplex and med. wondershell all at the same time. That's what I'm getting.  |
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Post by anti on Oct 22, 2015 12:09:58 GMT -5
well carl your suggestion worked. after the 1st day of kanaplex the discus eye cleared up and his poop turned colors again. i have been trying to feed him the metroplex with food but he still doesn't want to eat much even with the garlic.today will be my 3rd and last dose of kanaplex. ill prob keep him for another week and try to feed the metro. orher than that he looks good. thks for the help
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Post by Carl on Oct 22, 2015 17:49:55 GMT -5
well carl your suggestion worked. after the 1st day of kanaplex the discus eye cleared up and his poop turned colors again. i have been trying to feed him the metroplex with food but he still doesn't want to eat much even with the garlic.today will be my 3rd and last dose of kanaplex. ill prob keep him for another week and try to feed the metro. orher than that he looks good. thks for the help Great news, as I honestly did not hold out a lot of hope based on appetite.  Did you use the Medicated Wonder Shell in conjunction with the Kanaplex? Carl |
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Post by anti on Oct 22, 2015 19:09:10 GMT -5
yes i did. that is about done too. do u think another week in qt is good? like i said besides appetite he looks great. not quite sure when enough is enough
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Post by Carl on Oct 22, 2015 20:00:45 GMT -5
yes i did. that is about done too. do u think another week in qt is good? like i said besides appetite he looks great. not quite sure when enough is enough I would use 3-4 treatments of Kanamycin/Kanaplex then stop. As for the Medicated Wonder Shell, I would keep a one present for 10-14 days, more so the later time Carl |
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