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Post by demfish on Sept 27, 2008 10:10:17 GMT -5
This was Crash yesterday. I gave her/him a salt bath for 20 Min's. boy was she mad!! Put her back in the tank and the others nudged her and stayed by her, guess they missed her? Not going to feed them for 2 days, see how that works. Now their all mad at me! But crash don't look as swollen this Morning. Anything I should know when I do start feeding them again? Thanks!
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 27, 2008 10:35:04 GMT -5
This is classic swimbladder disorder a poorly functioning swimbladder. It is not conatgious and can go away if the fish are fed the proper diet and kept in good conditions. Also, caused by feeding food with soaking or food with too much air in it. Soak their food about 10 minutes and already, add spirulina flakes into their diet. (Carl sells them) If you are feeding pellets (not that that feeding pellets is bad), it is more likely to cause this than flakes. Also, if you are still feeding yoru godfish a lot of proetin, you may want to cut down on that. goldfish are mainly vegetarian and shouldn't be fed too many meaty foods. Hope that helps. Your fish should be fine. Bet she's fustrated with her current position though. lol
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Post by demfish on Sept 27, 2008 10:48:35 GMT -5
This is classic swimbladder disorder a poorly functioning swim bladder. It is not conatgious and can go away if the fish are fed the proper diet and kept in good conditions. Also, caused by feeding food with soaking or food with too much air in it. Soak their food about 10 minutes and already, add spirulina flakes into their diet. (Carl sells them) If you are feeding pellets (not that that feeding pellets is bad), it is more likely to cause this than flakes. Also, if you are still feeding your goldfish a lot of protein, you may want to cut down on that. goldfish are mainly vegetarian and shouldn't be fed too many meaty foods. Hope that helps. Your fish should be fine. Bet she's frustrated with her current position though. lol I do soak their food and nope no protein to speak of.. all I have been feeding them is Hikari Gold and fresh veggies, such as peas and some squash, green beans. But I tend to think it's still more egg bound. When she had her bath their was a lot of poop with bubbles in it. But it could also be swim bladder too? Not sure but I'm sure getting sick of the poor thing floating.. Think she dead everytime I look
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 27, 2008 11:28:16 GMT -5
That happened to me once. Turned out my fish had intook too much air from its food. I would recommned to continue the baths daily or whenever needed. I have bubbles in dropping with one of my fish a lot who likes to intake air as I feed it by air-sucking at the surface. I would just continue tretament. It may take a while to go away. keep in mind, this is a very common probem with fancy goldfish like you have. Your fish can live a long happy life, even if this problem persists, she'll probably jusrt wonder why everything she sees is upsidedown. Don't worry too much, at least she is healthy otherwise.
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Post by demfish on Sept 27, 2008 11:32:44 GMT -5
Yeah but it sure freaks me out to see her upside down plus I hear that the more they stay like that, the more permanent it will be.
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 27, 2008 16:51:10 GMT -5
Just give her the best care possble and hope she improves. Carl may also be able to give you some tips on this.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 27, 2008 21:27:14 GMT -5
in servicing tanks....i experienced more upside down fantails than i care to mention. my boss and i put it down to inbreeding. renee is right, it probably is a swim bladder disorder. does it have a tough time staying at 1 level in the tank? regardless.....most of these upside down floaters lived long lives.
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Post by demfish on Sept 28, 2008 8:40:04 GMT -5
She seems a lot better this morning, did another salt bath, no food for any of the fish. This is the 2nd day no food. She only floats after I feed store bought foods, never on the veggies I feed. Their sure not liking the no food part! But if it helps, will keep it up. Been doing a bit of reading on Goldy's, is it true that flukes live in all tanks? That you should treat your tanks once a year for flukes, even if you have not added anything new? Heck theres so much different options. you don't know which what to turn!
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Post by Carl on Sept 28, 2008 9:47:44 GMT -5
She seems a lot better this morning, did another salt bath, no food for any of the fish. This is the 2nd day no food. She only floats after I feed store bought foods, never on the veggies I feed. Their sure not liking the no food part! But if it helps, will keep it up. Been doing a bit of reading on Goldy's, is it true that flukes live in all tanks? That you should treat your tanks once a year for flukes, even if you have not added anything new? Heck theres so much different options. you don't know which what to turn! The salt baths WITH Methylene Blue and a very small amount of Epsom salt. As both Bill and Renee have stated this is very common in Orandas and Ryukins and I also agree that "in-breeding" plays a major role in this problem. I would not agree with flukes being present in most aquariums and I rarely have had flukes problems with healthy fish from good sources (I have seen more flukes problems in ponds though) As to feeding you seem to be doing the best you can, although I will make one point and that is to make sure that you keep there intestines "working". What I mean os that goldfish are grazers, so small more frequent feedings are best, and actually a well soaked pellet (to remove air) is good for expanding and "filling" intestines. If he gets worse or shows other symptomss you may have an intestinal Aeromoas inefection which is quite common in goldfish. The GelTek Neomycin is a good treatment for this as it gets right into their intestines as it is fed directly to the fish. Carl
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Post by demfish on Sept 28, 2008 10:14:13 GMT -5
I so want to ask many more ?? but I have a date :LOL As how much MB. The rest can wait, till later. She's bottom sitting now, this is new! Also the nitrAtes are back up to 40, for the life of me I can't seem to keep them down. Maybe this will change once I get them in a larger tank? Thanks for all who are trying to help
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 28, 2008 12:02:19 GMT -5
You can bring teh nitrates down by doing water changes. How often are you changing the water?
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Post by Carl on Oct 1, 2008 9:36:52 GMT -5
I so want to ask many more ?? but I have a date :LOL As how much MB. The rest can wait, till later. She's bottom sitting now, this is new! Also the nitrAtes are back up to 40, for the life of me I can't seem to keep them down. Maybe this will change once I get them in a larger tank? Thanks for all who are trying to help For MB, I recommend following the directions on the bottle (as different MB brands have different solutions), generally speaking it is hard to over dose for a bath, and often in small amount of water (16 oz) only several drops are needed so as to make the water a medium dark blue color. See this article: Aquarium Disease Prevention; Section 9, BathsAs to nitrates, this can be a hard parameter to control; Changing water as Renee suggested is a good start, also make sure to test your tap water to see if there are nitrates in it which is quite common. Also rinse sponges/ filter media often and make sure to vacuum under ornaments when changing water. Please see this article for more about nitrate control: Aquarium Answers; NitrateCarl
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Post by demfish on Oct 1, 2008 15:02:36 GMT -5
You can bring teh nitrates down by doing water changes. How often are you changing the water? I do about 10 gals. every 2-3 days, don't seem to budge it.
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Post by demfish on Oct 1, 2008 15:08:31 GMT -5
Crash has not floated since I did 2 salt baths plus not feeding them for 2 days. Carl I would really like to thank you for all the help you have done so far! If not for you I would have never tried to reseal my tank or half the other stuff you have taught me to do!! Wished I could do more than that but times are tough now, so Thank You from the bottom of my Goldy's cold heart and my not so cold heart!!
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Post by Carl on Oct 1, 2008 16:47:31 GMT -5
Crash has not floated since I did 2 salt baths plus not feeding them for 2 days. Carl I would really like to thank you for all the help you have done so far! If not for you I would have never tried to reseal my tank or half the other stuff you have taught me to do!! Wished I could do more than that but times are tough now, so Thank You from the bottom of my Goldy's cold heart and my not so cold heart!! Your welcome! Please check your tap water for nitrate levels, as they may be higher than expected (Bill has pointed out the importance of this too in another thread) Also check out the article I referenced earlier for some other tips on lowering nitrates. Carl
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Post by demfish on Oct 2, 2008 12:19:38 GMT -5
Thanks guys! The last times I checked the nitrAtes from the tap was 7-20-08 but I will check again as soon as I get back. It was 0 then. But being in a bigger city, their always messing with the water.
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Post by demfish on Oct 2, 2008 20:27:01 GMT -5
Just checked the tap water and its a 0, so I'm thinking the tank is over loaded?
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 3, 2008 15:29:44 GMT -5
Possibly. You migth want to try feeding a little less or doing tank mainatnce a little more often.
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Post by Carl on Oct 4, 2008 11:28:38 GMT -5
Just checked the tap water and its a 0, so I'm thinking the tank is over loaded? Yes, or your filtration may not be adequate and/or need more frequent rinsings of the sponges. I agree as well with Rene's comments! Carl
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Post by goldenpuon on Oct 4, 2008 17:04:26 GMT -5
Everyone always forgets the last "E" in my name. lol
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