|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 25, 2008 4:55:51 GMT -5
I'm sure you guys all know i added two goldfish to the 40 gallon yesterday. Well, this morning, I saw a pimple on one of them near its gill cover. I watched the fish for a few minutes and the bump greatly became smaller in size but I KNOW it was there. Could this be some kind of parasite burrowing through its skin or is it probably nothing? The fish seems active and healthy otherwise. Any idea what this is?
Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 25, 2008 5:06:50 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Sept 25, 2008 9:37:10 GMT -5
I cannot tell for sure, however this may be a gill fluke under the gill flap. Also this goldfish looks unusually emaciated in his general body area which concerns me some. I would consider a bath in Potassium Permangante if you can find it. Here is slink to Kordon the only company left selling this product: Kordon PermoxynYou may also consider the use of Jungle Anti-Parasite FoodGood luck Renee! Carl
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 25, 2008 16:31:24 GMT -5
Emaciated?! Could it be internal parasites? The pimple is now gone. But now I'm really worried now that you said he/she is emaciated. Could it be an internal parasite burrowing beneath the fish's skin that caused the bump? The bump shwos up and disappeared in a matter of an hour.
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 25, 2008 17:06:34 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 27, 2008 10:36:10 GMT -5
Anyone please, do my goldfish look underwight in these pics? I really need to know!
|
|
|
Post by demfish on Sept 27, 2008 11:24:47 GMT -5
How old are these fish? To me they look skinny.. but then I have fat fish Is the last picture of the one that had the pimple? That one looks really thin. I think maybe they could stand a little more weight, but that me ;D
|
|
|
Post by demfish on Sept 27, 2008 11:27:51 GMT -5
This is my common goldfish, he's three years old.
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 27, 2008 16:44:11 GMT -5
These are all comet goldfish. They were feeders I rescued from petstores. I got them at different times but I have had each 2-3 years. They are from 2 inches to 3 1/2 inches long. There are some pics of comet goldfish I got off google that seem to be the right weight so you can compare. i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq297/goldenpuon/COMET_RED_WHITE.jpgi457.photobucket.com/albums/qq297/goldenpuon/Domesticcometgoldfish.jpgI agree that they're too thin. But how could I fix this? I feed my goldfish once a day. All the goldfish except Puon get Tetramin flake food and spirulina flakes I got from Carl every 3 nights. They also get Hikari goldfish pellets evey once in a while. As for Puon, my oldest goldfish whom I've had over 3 years, he/she gets Hikari goldfish pellets evey night and spirulina flakes about every 3-4 nights
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 28, 2008 12:03:57 GMT -5
Carl, do the rest of my goldfish look underweight? I just started feeding them more and I decided to discontinue the Tetramin so they are a little fatter now from more feeding.
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Sept 28, 2008 14:07:03 GMT -5
Carl, do the rest of my goldfish look underweight? I just started feeding them more and I decided to discontinue the Tetramin so they are a little fatter now from more feeding. Just had a chance to look at the pictures; I cannot tell from all the pictures, however #1, 7, 8 show some VERY healthy fish! So not all the fish are emmaciated or thin, just a few. I definitely agree with the discontinuing of TetraMin as this food is not designed for goldfish metabolism and even for Tropcial fish (for which it is designed) it is a poor choice as per my trials with it. You may be dealing with genetically weak fish for which there is not much you can do except give them the best possible care, which I believe you generallly do. Keep up a varied diet with with more frequent smaller feedings than less frequent larger feedings. The Jungle Anti-Parasite Food may be worth a try, but this may not solve this problem (and based on the length of time you have had these fish, I have my doubts that this is the problem). I think that following a coarse of quality and varied diet (including the Spirulina Fish Food) along with the best possible water conditions that this may all that can be done. Carl
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 28, 2008 16:26:22 GMT -5
Thanks so much for looking Carl! I agree, they are definietly weak fish. They are feeders, fish that were orginally bred just to live long enough to be fed to bigger fish so speaking in thoseterms, every single fish is weak. Plus they got horrible care at the beginning of their lives before I got them and are probably heavily inbred.
I will discontinue using the Tetramin (the type of Tetramin I fed my goldfish was actually designed for goldfish, not tropicals)
I tried feeding them the Jungle Anti-Parasite Food and by the third day, tehy decided they didn't like it and would just sit there trying to break it down in their mouths, spit it out, then try to eat it again. But are you sure it oiisn't internal parasites? One of my skinnier fish, Foneme always has white droppings every morning and clamps it's fins. Bu the whenever I got near the tank, it stops and get really active and greets me asking for food. And in the afternoon and at night it is fine. Foneme used to be a lot fatter. Now he/she isn't. Should I try to continue feeding the anti-parasite food? also, do you think it si inetrnal parasites? Thanks so much.
On the other hand, the 2 fish in the 40 seem very stressed. Their dorsels are up but they stay near the bottom and are quick to panick. I didn't float them in a bag to get them adjusted because I thought since they were in their water from 2 previosu weeks water changes, they would be ok but I guess not. I also may have uped the PH too much with Marine Buffer and the tank was saltwater before I cleaned it out with vinegar so I hope salinity isn't too high. It may be in part to that the livingroom where they're at next to the kitchen is a lot nosier with more ligths and loud sounds. In my bedroom, everything was quiet and relaxing for them. Plus my mom isn't good about turning the lights off at night and sometimes leaves a few lights on as she reads, falls asleep on the couch, and doesn't wake up to actually "go to bed" until 3 a.m. on weekends. No signs of disease though. Anyway, that's how they're doing in the 40....
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Sept 28, 2008 17:28:19 GMT -5
This would be TetraFin, which is better for goldfish, but is still a poor food in my experience. I am not totally sure of your question here, but I will try and answer. First I am not totally sure, in fact when it comes to things such as this the best any one can make is an "educated guess". So my answer is if you are already feeding this to continue, but this type of medicated food is ONLY effective if this is the ONLY food fed. The other medicated food I suggested was GelTek Neomycin, however this is for intestinal bacterial infections (usually Aeromonas). I would lean towards internal parasites based on the time period and white feces (although Aeromonas can cause similar in the intestines). Intestinal parasites can be very common in feeder fish, although I would have expected a more worsening condition or death by now, so again I am sorry for the vagueness. Any residual salt from the previous set up is not at all a factor, I have switched many a tank from SW to FW and FW to SW with little more than a rinsing with no problems. Marine Buffer is generally safe to use as it primarily affects KH when used in moderation (only very small amounts are generally needed in FW), so try NOT to chase pH with it in FW aquariums, only use it to moderate KH. I have found that "chasing pH" can cause so many problems over the years, so always refrain from getting into a pH chase, only moderate your KH. See this article for more: CALCIUM, ELECTROLYTES, AND MAGNESIUM IN AQUARIUMS; How to maintain a Proper KH & PH,Carl
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 29, 2008 15:24:37 GMT -5
Thanks Carl although I think i will be discontineuing feeding it. The goldfish just like to chew on it and spit it out. I may have been underfeeding poor quality food. The Tetrafin flake food I was feeding them was about a year old... I am going with have a new feeding schedule with Hikari goldfish pellets and spirulina to see if that will fatten them up. By the way, in my question I was asking whetehr you thought it was internal parasites and whether I should continue using the Jungle Anti-Paraiste Medicane. But I'm pretty sure you already asnwered that. By the way, my older fish seem to be the thinnest but in the tank with possible internal parasites, only 2 of the fish were pretty thin. Another was pretty mildly and the other 2 were average weight. Hopefully a sligth increase in feeding will correct this. I tend to overfeed my other fish and underfeed my goldfish. I don't really know why, got to find a balance here.
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Sept 29, 2008 16:33:38 GMT -5
Your point that your older fish are the thinnist would indicate a diagnosis of NO parasites (although finishing the Internal Parasite food would still be best since aalready started)
In thin older fish good feeding and water conditions is probably the best therapy. Keep in mind that since goldfish are "grazers", they do best with multiple small feedings.
Carl
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Sept 30, 2008 15:16:45 GMT -5
But they do have stringy white waste sometimes, mainly my fish I've had 3 years named Foneme who always have stringy waste that floats in the morning. Foneme is one of the thinner ones. Are you sure it isn't internal parasites?
I've decided not to feed the Anti-Parasite food unless I know for sure because they don't really like it and I'm afraid if they don't eat it, it will spoil their water. Plus, I'm not sure if it will help them to gain weight if they don't have intrnal parasites.
I'm going to be feeding them twice a day fro now on. No wonder they were never that dirty!
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Sept 30, 2008 20:38:37 GMT -5
But they do have stringy white waste sometimes, mainly my fish I've had 3 years named Foneme who always have stringy waste that floats in the morning. Foneme is one of the thinner ones. Are you sure it isn't internal parasites? I've decided not to feed the Anti-Parasite food unless I know for sure because they don't really like it and I'm afraid if they don't eat it, it will spoil their water. Plus, I'm not sure if it will help them to gain weight if they don't have intrnal parasites. I'm going to be feeding them twice a day fro now on. No wonder they were never that dirty! No I am not sure, without disecting Foneme (which of coarse we would not want to do), there is no positive ID. It is just that parasites generally would have killed by now and white string waste can also indicate Aeromonas intestinal infections as well. I honestly disagree with stopping a treatment in the middle, it is ALWAYS best to finish a treatment for one to give it a chance to work, and for another reason to prevent pathogen resistance. Sorry to be blunt here Renee, but this is an area that many medication mistakes are made and not just in fish but humans as many of my MD friends over the years have stated. Carl
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Oct 1, 2008 14:59:17 GMT -5
It's just that the treatment is 4 weeks long (3 days feeding treatment a week and 4 days not for 4 straight weeks) and I know that pellets like to get cottony stuff on them if the fish don't eat them within a day and it's hard to keep track of all the pellets if a fish spits one out in a random place and then I ahve to find it beofre something starts growing. Sorry to sound unreasonable, but when I overfed (sometimes pellets) and when fish started dying, that's when the fuzzy stuff started growing in my betta fry tanks. And the only solution to that seems to be bleaching... I swear if I lost my goldfish to something like that, I might not have ethe courage to keep fish. They were my first fish and everything went wrong when I first got them 43 died in two years. I do not want to risk that happening again + bleaching 2 10 gallons, a 40, and a 4 gallon plastic container.
I will continue feeding them but in small portions only once a day. For the remainder of the 4 days of the week they are fed, they will get Hikari and spirulina twice a day. For now I did 3 days treatment (minus the last day when I removed lots of uneaten pellets because no one wa eating and gave them their regular food). I will have to start feeding the medicated food again on Friday as the directions say and per your advice. Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Oct 3, 2008 15:46:46 GMT -5
I shall be continuing the anti=-pararsite tremanet today. 1 week done, 3 to go...
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Oct 4, 2008 11:41:14 GMT -5
The fish ar gaining weight sicne I increased feedin! This is aweosme! My goldfish Salyme is even starting to look a little fat. lol Go to keep an eye on that one. She is a pig.
|
|