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Post by corycatwoman on Dec 15, 2009 13:19:27 GMT -5
since were on the betta topic here maybe pennycat can help explain this if she ever becomes present soon. if not hopefully someone else with betta experience can help.
why is crowntails and half moons 3 times as expensive as regular betta's? and other then personal look is there any difference in the different forms other then personal preference?
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Jan 4, 2010 12:18:03 GMT -5
Carl Forwarded me this over the weekend but I am just now getting time to answer...sry OK...as far as the tank...anything less then 10g does not really cycle. A Betta can go into an "un-cycled" tank as long as the water is changed...I would NOT put a Betta into a CYCLING tank!!! My breeder Betta are kept in 32 oz mason jars and I change the water every other day 100%. My non-breeder Betta are kept in no less then 1g of water (1.5g hex on my desk) and I change the water 2x a week 100% but this tank has gravel for the bio-load and a live plant (Java Fern). As for the cost...Veil Tail is the easiest breeder and most well known of the Betta. The Crown Tail has "issues" of it's own...for the rays to form correctly...it needs the "correct light" and optimal water conditions. I have not been successful in spawning CT so this is just what I have been told. Halfmoon is just a bit more difficult to breed and is a "new" fish in the Hobby World. Cost will eventually go down as the fish becomes less of a novelty. Well Bred CT and HM at a show will got from $6 to $100. I say a beautiful PK (Short finned Fighter known as a Plakat...Pla-cot) go for $100 at our 2009 Convention in June 09!!! Hope that answered your question Lori
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 20, 2010 22:18:24 GMT -5
updates. we currently are housing in our 30 gallon 2 remaining Ps. hybrids very similar in look and behavior of socolofi.
in the 10 gallon. we are housing 4 cherry barbs and a medium sized golden gourami. considering adding a smaller angel or even a blue gourami or a pearl if i can find some. and eventually upgrading to a 20 long.
we now have purchased this nifty contraption at petco it was a good price so we got it it seems to be a 1/2 gallon container that has a divider and so we are housing 2 polar oposite betta males. 1 is a all white with irredecent teal and it is a delta tail. and the other is a all solid black with metalic teal accent and he is a crowntail. they are pearl and onyx.
i will get some photos up after my next water change and after everyone settles back in to there natural state during the week.
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Post by goldenpuon on Feb 21, 2010 15:08:58 GMT -5
No offense Corycatwoman, but wouldn't a 20 gallon be too small for 4 cherry barbs, a gourami, and a second gourami or angel? I know it is an upgrade but it sounds pretty crowded. Especially since these fish don't stay small.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 22, 2010 21:34:12 GMT -5
none taken. your habbits with your fish are much different then what i feel is normal. but technicaly since gourami's are peaceful with eachother i can get away with 3 of them in a 20 as long as none are males of same species. as for if i add an angel i may be getting into aggression issues with the angel and gourami and thats whats holding me back on my idea.
but if i do upgrade to a 20 im definately going to keep the cherry barbs numbers where there at and most likely add a seperate male of a different gourami species. and thats all i would do.
other option is keep barb numbers same. add an angel. and thats all i can do.
or 3rd and most pleasant on the eye i think would be eliminate barbs completely and add a pearl gourami and a blue gourami in with my gold gourami and thats about maxed out on limit.
and only reason im explaning is for someone who may not understand gourami's can be agressive fish but most of the time they are peaceful the only time they get roudy is for mating and its between the 2 males of same species. ive only heard of 2 males of different species sparring once in and i think it was over food.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 22, 2010 21:43:33 GMT -5
also another factor to consider is one of my best friends an older guy hes about 63 years young he currently in his garage is holding a collection of assorted tanks but the one that caught my eye is a smaller tank but its full of gourami's its about a 20 high which is roughty a 1/3 larger then my 10 gallon and he has 4 adult male gourami's 2 seperate species. 1 gold pair and 1 blue pair. pair being 1 male and 1 female. he has regular spawns minimal plant coverage. basicly thin minimal gravel layer 2 live plants water and his fish. his fish are the main attraction of the tank. hes had them in the same tank together from hatchlings he took out the males of course but hes had them in there for over 6 years. which makes me question if i can get a pair in my 10. but id rather not risk it so im going to upgrade to a 20 long with those possibilities i mentioned earlier. i just thaught id share that there is proof that its atleast plausable in some circumstances.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 22, 2010 23:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Feb 23, 2010 10:43:15 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the pictures!
How many tanks to you have going now?
Carl
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 23, 2010 15:55:51 GMT -5
just the 2. and a the container the bettas are in.
10 gallon gourami cherry barb community.
28 bow front. mbuna colony.
1/2 gallon divided. with 2 male betta's
soon to upgrade a 20 long in replace of the 10.
and a 40 long. in replace of the 28 bow.
think that can fix me on my mbuna and give my gourami some larger company.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 23, 2010 15:58:20 GMT -5
and i guess i could run a few more smaller ones but i dont get any enjoyment out of guppies and betta's like lana does. so i have my 2 gallon and 6 gallon stashed away. out of her reach. lol
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Post by goldenpuon on Feb 23, 2010 17:08:08 GMT -5
Nice pictures. I like your fish a lot, especially the white male betta.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 23, 2010 23:35:13 GMT -5
thank you. while your posting here. i know you have lots of bettas in containers. now do you do 100 percent water changes or do you just do 75 percent? and twice a week? or once a week?
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Post by goldenpuon on Feb 25, 2010 17:51:29 GMT -5
I no longer have many bettas. They died due to old age. I am down to just one.
I used to do 75% weekly when I had many fish. But these containers were a gallon and held only 1 fish each. I personally think that if I had them in larger containers with frequent smaller water changes they would have been much better off.
I have heard it is impossible to cycle a 1 gallon though I am not 100% sure I agree with this idea. I know a few breeders who keep their bettas in 1/2 gallons but change the water for the fish 100% each day or every other day. I am sure they age the water and check PH before hand to prevent shock. They seem to be very successful with their bettas.
I guess it varies a little but I know is thay you will need to do frequent water changes very frequently on it since it is a 1/2 gallon with two fish in it. The exact amount I can not say.
Hope that helps.
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Post by babygeige on Feb 26, 2010 22:02:59 GMT -5
I'd say if it's an unfiltered container, you might be better off to do about 50% or so a couple times a week to help keep things fresh in there. I used to have a betta in a 1.5 gallon and I'd change 50-75% percent weekly, but I had one of those little internal filters in there. So I think twice weekly would be a good thing for unfiltered. Btw, I like your pictures. Especially the one of the blue guy peeking out from the rock!
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