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Post by brenda on Sept 19, 2008 21:52:06 GMT -5
No, I am not sure this is bloat...actually everyone was leaning towards internal parasites at this point. I was just wondering if it were to be bloat if the meds I was treating for internal parasites with would help at all if it were to be bloat.
Jon, I may try a pea the biggest problem with this guy is he is not eating really. I'll give it a try tomorrow though.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 19, 2008 22:23:05 GMT -5
the more time goes on the less likely i feel it is bloat. to the best of my knowledge....it kills quickly. this fish i assume is still alive and little change to the condition....
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Post by brenda on Sept 19, 2008 22:28:12 GMT -5
the more time goes on the less likely i feel it is bloat. to the best of my knowledge....it kills quickly. this fish i assume is still alive and little change to the condition.... Bill, you are right and that is what I thought also. As I said he is at least now in the smaller tank and I am treating for internal parasites due to the discovery of white stringy pooh...Would parasites make more sense since he is still alive?
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 19, 2008 22:34:23 GMT -5
the white sh!t screams parasite or internal infection. treat for that and i bet he`ll be fine
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Post by brenda on Sept 19, 2008 22:40:05 GMT -5
the white sh!t screams parasite or internal infection. treat for that and i bet he`ll be fine Thanks for the reassurance and I hope that is the right call. Do you think I should also catch my girls and treat them since they have all been together since who knows when or should I wait and see if they start having issues? I wonder if this could be why the one female I had holding dies?...Maybe?
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 19, 2008 23:11:15 GMT -5
well....alot will disagree, but here goes....i`d treat the hospital full strength and treat the common tank 1/3 as a preventitive. as far as parasites go, 1 has them, they probably all do but strong enough to deal with it. it in fact in the end is up to you tho....but i would
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Post by jonv on Sept 19, 2008 23:22:53 GMT -5
No disagreement here on my end. I'm still a student when it comes to medications, treatments and diagnosis of what goes wrong.
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Post by brenda on Sept 20, 2008 9:30:28 GMT -5
Ok, I will do that. I trust you guys here. It would make me feel better too because I did see white pooh on one of my female flamebacks also...Only thing is I can't tell them apart to know if it was one or more then one.
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Post by brenda on Sept 20, 2008 19:34:49 GMT -5
Well, I added treatment to my big tank but didn't treat full strength like you reccomended. As far as my male in the smaller tank how long until I know if he is improving..Should I try and feed him or wait a couple days?
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 20, 2008 20:07:12 GMT -5
after any meds....i`d give a day or 2 fasting....
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Post by brenda on Sept 21, 2008 13:56:47 GMT -5
Well, he doesn't really seem any better but it is hard to tell as he is alone in a tank that is strange to him. The meds said I could treat again after 48hrs and a 25% water change...DO you think I should treat again or just do the water change? Any other help would be great...I really don't want to lose this guy as it would be hard to get another male. Here are some pics from today...I don't know if they will show anything but maybe.
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Post by murdock6701 on Sept 21, 2008 14:31:53 GMT -5
truly a beautiful fish! hope he's OK.....sorry I don't have anything positive to contribute.....
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Post by brenda on Sept 21, 2008 14:35:23 GMT -5
Thanks..I hope I can pull him thru too. He would not be easy to replace if I had to. I came across these guys by chance at an LFS!!! Most people have had to get them online but even then there are not that many available...they are rare.
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Post by murdock6701 on Sept 21, 2008 14:47:26 GMT -5
I respect your efforts! you are a great keeper! the rarer the fish, the bigger the challenge! I think I can, I think I can! more power to ya! not many oppotunities - am proud of you!
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Post by eve on Sept 21, 2008 15:22:26 GMT -5
if it where me, i would stop medicating, and start doing daily waterchanges of 25% he might need it
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Post by brenda on Sept 21, 2008 15:48:55 GMT -5
Well, I did do the 25% water change...we'll see. I have the feeling it may be bloat...he seems kinda swollen on one side more then the other. Not to think negative but I just have the feeling he is not going to make it. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by Carl on Sept 21, 2008 16:16:39 GMT -5
the white sh!t screams parasite or internal infection. treat for that and i bet he`ll be fine Thanks for the reassurance and I hope that is the right call. Do you think I should also catch my girls and treat them since they have all been together since who knows when or should I wait and see if they start having issues? I wonder if this could be why the one female I had holding dies?...Maybe? I think Bill and you make a good point, and if this were my client's aquarium I would perform a treatment on all these fish in the smaller aquarium. As Eve pointed out, water changes are important, however I would perform the water changes before EVERY treatmant and NOT discontinue treatment just because you are not having good results. Internal Parasites are VERY difficult to treat in part because FW fish absorb mecication unlike SW fish that drink water around them, so getting the meds inside the fish is the ultimate goal, but this is easier said than done. The Jungle Internal Parsite food is a better product (in part because in has a better mix of parasite meds, as well as the mode of delivery), but it has one major flaw, and that is if the fish will not eat it does them no good. The baths are good as these will be more readily absorbed and aid in "pulling" elements which include meds through the body via osmosis. This is why salt should also be in these baths and why salts and caclium should also be in your quarantine tank as well (double normal is best!). See this article: Aquarium Answers; Osmoregulation, Do fish DrinkI wish I could promise perfect results as I know how you care for and and well you take care of your fish, but I cannot. I can tell you with about 95% certainty that this is an inherited problem, meaning the fish VERY LIKELY already had this problem when you got them, in fact the time period from you receiving them until the problem raised its ugly head is quite normal. Carl
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Post by brenda on Sept 21, 2008 17:26:00 GMT -5
I do not have any aquarium salt right now...I can get some tomorrow...Can I use regular table salt? I have read much debate over this. If so how much for a 16 gallon tank?
By the way welcome back Carl...I hope you had a GREAT weekend!!!
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Post by brenda on Sept 21, 2008 17:27:06 GMT -5
Also, I tried to feed him shrimp stuffed with the medicated food but he will not eat. So, no go.
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Post by Carl on Sept 21, 2008 17:37:49 GMT -5
I do not have any aquarium salt right now...I can get some tomorrow...Can I use regular table salt? I have read much debate over this. If so how much for a 16 gallon tank? By the way welcome back Carl...I hope you had a GREAT weekend!!! Table Salt can be used in a pinch. The problem with table salt is often it is iodized, however the dangers there are over blown as Iodine is an essential element for fish as well, the only problem with iodized table salt is that regular use MAY increase the concentration of Iodine to higher than desirable levels. The other problem with table salt is the anti-caking agents in table can cause algae problems. This said, at this point it is better than nothing IMO!!! As to the use of aquarium salt; this is a subject that has been addressed in very thorough college level studies, not to mention many of my own and it is so sad that it is still as controversial as it is! Suzie Q once pointed me to a forum that was otherwise a decent forum that was totally misinformed on this issue with many moderators/members stating wrong facts about the use of salt in FW. Please see this aquarium Answers post about the subject of salt in FW aquariums (I plan an update soon too): Aquarium Answers; Salt in Freshwater AquariumsTHANKS for the welcome back! It was a nice weekend, whether was cool and felt l like fall. No breakdowns either (although it was only a 25-30 mile round trip) Coming back was a nice reality smack in the face though (not here) . Carl
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