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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 15, 2008 14:42:43 GMT -5
Fish can take a while to spawn. Sometimes you can have everything right and they still take forever, especially with species that are harder to breed. I'm know near nothing on peacock's but I'd say from my fish breeding experiecne in general, wait and see. I remember 2 years ago wanting to get my goldfish to spanw after I got the hang of keeping them but they didn't (at least that I noticed) for 2 more years. Now they spawn whenever I feed them! I don't know if the eggs are fertile though. Speaking of breeding, the nudging that went on 2 years ago actually could have been breeding, maybe they were just strating out back then.
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Post by brenda on Sept 15, 2008 14:44:54 GMT -5
Yes I will keep watching him. It doesn't mean there is not but I have never seen anyone bother him at all. The yellow lab I thought may have been the cause because he started doing this around the time I saw the lab breed with one of his girls. I got rid of the lab thinking that was the problem but it wasn't. Even the girls are more complacent.
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 15, 2008 17:50:59 GMT -5
you arent doing anything thing wrong i am sure. i have very lil experience in breeding (fish that is, lol) but what i do know, frequent water changes and boosting the temp to 82 or 84 will help. also, they just may not be ready.
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Post by brenda on Sept 15, 2008 18:01:54 GMT -5
Here's a couple pics of OB #2's hard work since I put him in the 16 gallon for a "timeout". What is funny is he seems really happy in there, I think he feels like he has his own pad to do with what he wants.
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Post by Carl on Sept 15, 2008 18:56:46 GMT -5
There was something else I read over one time about how this isn't always a good thing when fish start spawning too soon. Basically, the post was saying that early spawning in fish will lead to protein being used to produce eggs or sperm instead of growth. Carl would probably know more about how accurate that might be. This would make since, however looking through some .edu sites dealing with aquaculture, I could not find in research to support this. Of coarse I still think this makes since from what I know of physiology, I only cannot confirm this. BTW, after reading what both Jon and Bill stated, I still have the feeeing that OB #1 is simply a OB without the egg spots as Jon stated this is not a sure fire way to sex these fish. Often actions are also a way of sexing fish or other animals assuming that ovaries have not been removed, as this will cause a change in hormone levels that will cause a female animal to have more male "habits". But since I doubt you did any surgery I think this can be ruled out! Carl
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Post by brenda on Sept 15, 2008 19:12:00 GMT -5
Yeah Carl, I tend to agree only because of OB #1's actions. It is very dominent over OB #2 and the male Rubescen. I just don't think it would be that way if it were a female. Not to say anything about what Bill and Jon said cause they know WAY more then me....It's just as I said its actions are not that of a female. That being said if it is a male then I may need to get rid of one of them.
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Post by jonv on Sept 15, 2008 20:42:13 GMT -5
It's unusual but not uncommon to find a female that is aggressive back on a male. I captured a shot one time of a female going all out against a male, both Auratus. It's not something you'd see all the time, but with Africans, something that can very well happen. Take Oscars as well. Test of power in their case and if the female is stronger then the male, she will try to kill him.
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Post by brenda on Sept 15, 2008 20:44:10 GMT -5
Ok then back to square one. LOL!!!
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Post by brenda on Sept 18, 2008 18:58:43 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what you all think of this but I was at the LFS and they said the anal fin on a male is pointed and on a female it is rounded. They showed me a couple so I could see the difference. Do ypu think that could be accurate?
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Post by jonv on Sept 18, 2008 19:07:09 GMT -5
I'd agree with it fully if I really knew more myself Brenda, but listening to that, I don't see anything wrong with that logic. With almost all Africans, color isn't the only differences in males and females. Size is usually a common indicator and since most all Africans too are not monomorphic I couldn't find anything wrong with thinking fin shapes and sizes would be an indicator either. It can be a tricky thing to find though if that's the only difference. I've seen some Gourami where you go by the Dorsal fin size and shape where it wasn't distinctly round and was not very short, but didn't touch the tail fin either. In fact the Snakeskin pair I have now, i thought were male and female only to find out they are a pair of males. I'd feel safer sexing the Peacocks if I had more then one factor to go by. So if on the one we don't see the egg spots, if all you have is just a rounded anal fin, I'd try to find something else. However, an apparant lack of the spots and rounded fin, probably 3:4 odds, thats a female then.
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Post by brenda on Sept 18, 2008 19:28:39 GMT -5
Well, I bought one with a rounded fin to see...I'll have to look but I think it did have egg spots but it's fin is round where as the 2 I have their anal fins are both pointed. So I'll let ya know because you were right and OB #2 is 100% a male so we'll see what we have now.
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Post by 8 in the Corner on Sept 21, 2008 23:18:39 GMT -5
Just to chime in on the #1 peacock that is agressive to the #2. I have never seen a female show any aggression towards a male unless she is holding eggs and then it is just a halfhearted chase like she does with the other females.
It sounds to me like what you have is two males. Very nice photos, BTW. The fish are very pretty also.
John
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Post by brenda on Sept 22, 2008 8:38:29 GMT -5
Well, I believe they are 2 males also. Just because of how dominent #1 is towards #2 and others. As I said I picked up 1 more hoping it is a girl. Do you have anyway of sexing these guys?
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Post by 8 in the Corner on Sept 22, 2008 14:27:55 GMT -5
As I said I picked up 1 more hoping it is a girl. Do you have anyway of sexing these guys? With species where the males and females are colored almost identically, the only positive way to tell is to "vent" them. This consists of removing the fish from the tank and examining the vent (spawning opening) with a magnifying glass if they are small or just eyeballing them if it is a fair sized fish. As I understand it, the female's vent is almost perfectly round while the male's is teardrop shaped. If you have one of each, then you are ready to go with a pair. 8
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 22, 2008 14:32:18 GMT -5
To add onto what 8 just said, if you take them out of the water to identify their gender, be very careful and make sure they can de-stress afetrwards. Personally, I rarely net fish but in one case where I didn't wan to scare my fish with a net or with a cup due to a previous experience that mad ethem dart, I egntally picked them up with my hands. They barely notcied and none were hurt. They were eating from my hand again the same day! But of course, this takes a lot of trust and if you dpon't know what you are doing, you can seriously injure them. Netting is probably your best bet if you decide to do this.
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Post by Carl on Sept 23, 2008 14:06:25 GMT -5
As I said I picked up 1 more hoping it is a girl. Do you have anyway of sexing these guys? With species where the males and females are colored almost identically, the only positive way to tell is to "vent" them. This consists of removing the fish from the tank and examining the vent (spawning opening) with a magnifying glass if they are small or just eyeballing them if it is a fair sized fish. As I understand it, the female's vent is almost perfectly round while the male's is teardrop shaped. If you have one of each, then you are ready to go with a pair. 8 Wow great answers! I sure appreciate your helping here at EA! Carl
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Post by booyahblake on Feb 21, 2017 23:10:51 GMT -5
I have an ob that was beaten up by a few other peacocks when I first got my fish. I put it into a separate tank 10 gallon to rehab for a while. but I have really been struggling to get it to eat. I soften the pellets, I try flakes. it usually sucks it in then spits it like 5 6 times. then moves on. it is much smaller than the other fish purchased at the same time one from the same store tank. not sure if it's male or female yet. but it does still move alot of rocks around.
thoughts ?
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Post by Carl on Feb 22, 2017 12:49:51 GMT -5
I have an ob that was beaten up by a few other peacocks when I first got my fish. I put it into a separate tank 10 gallon to rehab for a while. but I have really been struggling to get it to eat. I soften the pellets, I try flakes. it usually sucks it in then spits it like 5 6 times. then moves on. it is much smaller than the other fish purchased at the same time one from the same store tank. not sure if it's male or female yet. but it does still move alot of rocks around. thoughts ? What are your water parameters? Maintenance procedures and food used? Carl
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Post by booyahblake on Feb 22, 2017 12:55:49 GMT -5
I have an ob that was beaten up by a few other peacocks when I first got my fish. I put it into a separate tank 10 gallon to rehab for a while. but I have really been struggling to get it to eat. I soften the pellets, I try flakes. it usually sucks it in then spits it like 5 6 times. then moves on. it is much smaller than the other fish purchased at the same time one from the same store tank. not sure if it's male or female yet. but it does still move alot of rocks around. thoughts ? What are your water parameters? Maintenance procedures and food used? Carl my nitrite levels are high. my tank is still cycling. I feed new life cichlid pellets. and I try flakes. every other day for the ob
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Feb 22, 2017 13:10:45 GMT -5
Sounds like the fish is struggling. The tank he came from would need it parameters checked too. I wonder about internal parasites, but guessing here. Have you noticed if there's normal detritus? You may want to consider treating after you rule out water. Right now you cant treat in a tank without a cycle. It will make the treatment less effective. www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2007/03/trematodes-and-nematodes-in-fish.html
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