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Post by brenda on Sept 9, 2008 19:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 9, 2008 20:25:22 GMT -5
I wouldn`t get rid of them....the eggs will probably not be fertilized. just a guess but I don`t think they are genetically close enough to actually successfully breed. that is my assumption....jon can probably help out a lil more.
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Post by eve on Sept 10, 2008 3:56:35 GMT -5
interbreeding is very common i would just simply strip her of the eggs if you think she is holding from the yellow
or just wait it out you might get some interesting baby fry ;D
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Post by jonv on Sept 10, 2008 11:59:22 GMT -5
Eve just brought out a couple of very good points here Brenda, and thanks Bill!!
I've had a couple incidents of this occur and fortunatly this happend when I was watching the tank and those are the video clips I managed to shoot.
Stripping the eggs out has an advantage to where you won't have to concern yourself with actual swimming fish and what to do with those. The eggs will simply just die off and probably your other fish might eat them too since eggs are a high protein food source.
And just as Bill and Eve both said, you never know what interesting looking cross you might get. There is one draw back to this however. If you find these to be interesting, A. You will not get much for them usually on the market simply due to the promoting of pure bloodlines and B. If you don't want them to grow to adult and in turn breed and pass on these impure bloodlines, your only real option to prevent that is give them a tank of their own or in a community tank where there are no other Africans they can possibly cross with, only within themselves.
I've got a whole batch of worthless peacocks now really, so either they become food for the Dat, (sometimes hard to do with your own bred fish...) or I donate them to someone I know isn't breeding. Donating still leaves an option where a lesser experienced keeper might at some point change their mind and start breeding them and not tell anyone when selling, the offspring have tainted lines, and thus adding yet another mixed species out there and probably p'ing someone off at some point LOL.
I can't really tell you what to do in this case as it's a personal decision to what works best for you. One very good benefit of us for you posting however, is in the case if we didn't know, now we know, that Labidochromis Careleus can and will cross with Kyoga Flames.
Another thing you are going to find I think Brenda, while you got the Kyoga females of his own species, which is a good thing, males don't seem to really care if that is their own species or not, they just want to mate and will try to attract any female they recognize to mate. I've got a Metrclima Zebra that does this like all the time and the male responsible for causing my cross's. I know how to fix this actually. He's either going to the 75 where there is noone he could cross with or I'm selling him.
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Post by brenda on Sept 11, 2008 13:25:40 GMT -5
Well, I got rid of the lab along with a bunch of others and replaced them with some different fish. I liked the Lab but oh well, plus they're pretty common and I like stuff a little out of the norm. (just like myself) Hopefully this time I like everyone. Sometimes I like the looks of fish but when I get them home they just don't have the personality I am looking for. Hope I am not the only freak like this? I picked up mostly Lake Tanganika fish. I found a yellow calvus/compressicep, a daffodil (these are suppose to be quite aggressive but the guy said if I only got 1 he should be fine), a pair of orange Leluipi, and trio of Acei's. I'll update my tank blog as to what I now have and pics.
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Post by jonv on Sept 11, 2008 13:36:02 GMT -5
I'll take some Acei's and if you ever get those Fulu's some of those too. Whenever you get them to breed I'm ready!!!
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Post by Carl on Sept 11, 2008 13:36:47 GMT -5
I certainly understand getting fish that are outside the norm! ;D There more unusually varieties of African Cichlids availabel now than when I was maintaining 100s aquariums with these clients often asking for some thing different. I did keep many Aceis as I thought they were kind of unique (at least at the time), they also usually got along well with others (at least in my clients tanks) Here is an Acei: The Lake Tanganika Cichlids were gaining a lot of popularity among my clients in the late 90s, with the Daffodil being one of my favs. Daffodil: Carl
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Post by jonv on Sept 11, 2008 13:41:06 GMT -5
Very nice supporting follow up with those pics Carl.
Bill I'm willing to bet is more versed in terms of the scientific name and ability to cross. I'm going to ask 8 in the Corner as well to come over here. He's a GREAT man with tons of knowledge about things like this. He's been working with cichlids almost as long as you have been working with fish Carl, and I think he's great guy too. He'd probably know as well, like Bill, how to reccomend or guide on a choice to avoid potential crosses. As I understand it, it's how closely related they are by sci name.
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Post by brenda on Sept 11, 2008 14:17:06 GMT -5
I certainly understand getting fish that are outside the norm! ;D There more unusually varieties of African Cichlids availabel now than when I was maintaining 100s aquariums with these clients often asking for some thing different. I did keep many Aceis as I thought they were kind of unique (at least at the time), they also usually got along well with others (at least in my clients tanks) Here is an Acei: The Lake Tanganika Cichlids were gaining a lot of popularity among my clients in the late 90s, with the Daffodil being one of my favs. Daffodil: Carl How were the Daffodils you dealt with? Just wondering because they are rated as highly aggressive...As I said though the guy thought if I only had 1 he should be ok. Also, can anyone look at pics of Acei to tell male from female? I have 3 but no clue what they are. They only had 3 so I took all of them as they were 1 of the fish I was looking for.
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Post by brenda on Sept 11, 2008 14:18:21 GMT -5
I'll take some Acei's and if you ever get those Fulu's some of those too. Whenever you get them to breed I'm ready!!! No, problem...we'll see what happens!!!
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Post by Carl on Sept 11, 2008 19:01:37 GMT -5
How were the Daffodils you dealt with? Just wondering because they are rated as highly aggressive...As I said though the guy thought if I only had 1 he should be ok. Also, can anyone look at pics of Acei to tell male from female? I have 3 but no clue what they are. They only had 3 so I took all of them as they were 1 of the fish I was looking for. That is interesting, as I found in several tanks I cared for with Daffodils that they were not all that aggressive. However I will qualify this statement by saying that All of my Daffodils were ekpt in Tanganika specific tanks (I remember one customer was very anal that nothing from Malawi should touch his tank). Whether that makes a difference I cannot say. As to the Acei, bot of those in the pic look male to me, but it is not the greatest pic either, maybe Jon or Bill can say better. Carl
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Post by brenda on Sept 11, 2008 19:06:07 GMT -5
I am going to posts some pics under my tank blog...
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 11, 2008 23:04:47 GMT -5
i would agree on the male status....you lucky girl
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