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Post by demfish on Sept 10, 2008 18:14:49 GMT -5
Why is it I can feed them all the veggies or shrimp or fake crab. Their fine but as soon as I feed them any dry food. They start floating or crash he/she totally flips and will stay that way for a couple hours. The food is HBH with krill, was told this a good food? Any ideas? Am I just going to have to feed them veggies the rest of their life's?
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 10, 2008 18:36:06 GMT -5
It sounds like a swimbladder problem which is pretty common for fancier goldfish varieties. Try soaking the food for 5 minutes. That should help. It is a pain to do though. lol
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Post by demfish on Sept 10, 2008 18:46:12 GMT -5
Oh I do that too, just don't seem to help. Guess I may be stuck just feeding veggies. Thanks tho!!
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 10, 2008 18:58:09 GMT -5
i am going against what the others have said....you are feeding them "real" food. I wouldnt want to eat flake either. i think it is a matter of them being spoiled.
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Post by demfish on Sept 10, 2008 19:46:04 GMT -5
i am going against what the others have said....you are feeding them "real" food. I wouldnt want to eat flake either. i think it is a matter of them being spoiled. Yes spoiled!! But don't think that would make Crash belly up for, hours, after pellet food. All my critters are spoiled, just not me
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 10, 2008 20:09:35 GMT -5
Sorry to disagree Bikeguy, Maddog, please hang in there even though both me and Bikebuy are giving different advice.
Well, goldfish being mostly vegetarian, they mostly prefer vegetable based foods. Krill should only be an occasional treat due to their dietary requirements. In fact, feeding fresh vegetables and krill may be your problem. Spirulina flake food or Sanya pellet foods work well for goldfish and are easy to digest for them. Not to say that feeding this is bad, just in moderation. (I'm not sure which fresh vegetables are ok, I think Carls said some of them cause gas)
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Post by Carl on Sept 10, 2008 20:38:46 GMT -5
What HBH Food are you feeding? The HBH tropical is too rich for goldfish, and Krill is abest as a treat only. Shelled peas are agood supplement as are Brine Shrimp (either, live FD or frozen) as they also are good for constipation. Soaking food as Renee stated is imperative to prevent intestinal gas or even internal Aeromonas infections. Also along the lines of what bikeguy said, many fish will turn up new foods when first introduced and also prefer more "rich" foods instead foods that may be better for them such as Spirulina. See these articles (the first is much more in depth): Nutrition (Proper Aquatic nutrition). What ingredients are needed for optimum Fish nutrition, growth and healthProper Goldfish FeedingCarl
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Post by bikeguy33 on Sept 10, 2008 20:40:46 GMT -5
you are right about the requirements....but a goldfish fed frozen or freezedried meat will always go for that....even though that isnt their normal diet . i have seen this often. i see them even spitting out veggie based food when meat comes around. they don`t know what is better for them...they just know what tastes better
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Post by Carl on Sept 10, 2008 22:02:03 GMT -5
you are right about the requirements....but a goldfish fed frozen or freezedried meat will always go for that....even though that isnt their normal diet . i have seen this often. i see them even spitting out veggie based food when meat comes around. they don`t know what is better for them...they just know what tastes better Yes, exactly!!! I note this in the introduction of the Fish Nutrition article. Carl
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Post by demfish on Sept 11, 2008 18:05:57 GMT -5
LOL!! Never seen my Goldy's spit anything out...well there was this boiled carrot Carl the fish food I'm using is HBH soft pellet for FW and marine fish also HBH with spirulia witch is pellets also...I Do soak them also!! They really get floaty on the spirulia...well 2 of them do, both fancies. Tried Omega one pellets also, no go. Its crash who is the one flipping, thinking maybe egg bound? Heck I don't know..makes me sad when she belly's up tho. Oh Carl back on the old site you told me they were good food for them, now I'm lost
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Post by Carl on Sept 11, 2008 20:46:49 GMT -5
LOL!! Never seen my Goldy's spit anything out...well there was this boiled carrot Carl the fish food I'm using is HBH soft pellet for FW and marine fish also HBH with spirulia witch is pellets also...I Do soak them also!! They really get floaty on the spirulia...well 2 of them do, both fancies. Tried Omega one pellets also, no go. Its crash who is the one flipping, thinking maybe egg bound? Heck I don't know..makes me sad when she belly's up tho. Oh Carl back on the old site you told me they were good food for them, now I'm lost Pellets are fine, actually better than flakes for goldfish, but actually need to soaked MORE as they hold more air. I would not use the HBH pellet for Marine and FW fish, it is too "rich" for goldfish, but the Spirulina one should be OK. Spirulina 20, The many Hikari Goldfish foods, and Sanyu Goldfish foods are all excellent for goldfish. I am sorry for any confussion, did you have a chance to read the articles I posted, they should help Carl
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Post by demfish on Sept 12, 2008 8:30:56 GMT -5
How long is MORE? I soak them now for 10 to 15 min. Yes I did read your articles, their very good!! The Spirulina one is the one that makes them float the most... Think Renee may have hit it on the head. With the swim bladder?? Hope not as theres not to much that can be done for that?? That I know of anyways?
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Post by Carl on Sept 12, 2008 9:19:12 GMT -5
10 to 15 minutes is fine for pellets. What I should have said is not "more" (although that is true as to time), but what I meant to say was it is "more" as to importance due to more air trapped inside that can cause intestinal gas, swim bladder problems, and worst of all Aeromonas infections that can also lead to Dropsy. Swim Bladder problems are definitely a strong possibility, but not all is lost as although this can be tough to treat, it is not as severe as problems such as Dropsy. Like Dropsy, Swim Bladder problems can have different causes (& even with excellent feeding practices it can still occur, but at a MUCH lower rate). Also as Rene stated, goldfish/koi are primarily vegetarian, so most basic foods should be of this nature otherwise their intestinal tract cannot handle digestion well (kind of like feeding a horse dog food). Although Brine shrimp are certainly not vegetable matter, they are somewhat of an exception as they are not all that high in protein and as well. Besides this Brine Shrimp are Anostracans and have no carapace (anostraca = without shell); this point is that instead of a "shell" the exterior of Brine Shrimp tends to act like roughage and is excellent for feeding to fish such as goldfish to prevent intestinal problems. I would consider 15-30 minute baths with 1-2 teaspoons of salt per gallon and 1/8 -1/4 teaspoon of Epsom salts (Magnesium sulfate). Neomycin (fed internally) is an excellent treatment for intestinal or swim bladder problems. Carl
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Post by demfish on Sept 12, 2008 9:34:25 GMT -5
OK I,m just about to spend my wad I need to order so much stuff from you!! But money is so tight right now, plus I don't trust the Internet. If theres another way? Maybe we could work out a deal? Like I did with pet meds, just called and did it over the phone, after what I found what I wanted on line. LOL do you sell the big tubes of silicone?
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Post by Carl on Sept 12, 2008 10:28:38 GMT -5
OK I,m just about to spend my wad I need to order so much stuff from you!! But money is so tight right now, plus I don't trust the Internet. If theres another way? Maybe we could work out a deal? Like I did with pet meds, just called and did it over the phone, after what I found what I wanted on line. LOL do you sell the big tubes of silicone? Yes, we take phone orders althoughwe have to charge an extra $1 as the CC processing costs more (the CC company looks at phone processing as less secure) and it takes about 2-3 times as long to process (not automated) We also sell the 10 oz. tubes of Dow Corning Silicone (under the DAP label: Dow Corning Silicone American Aquarium Products; Contact PageCarl
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