Ich-Paragaurd-safe for Hillstream Loaches, Kuhli's,Amanos?

[Finney]

Hello, Need help with the correct treatment plan,

I have Cherry Barbs an SAE & an Oto showing early signs of ICH.

I just did a 30% water change yesterday & a thorough gravel vac.
Yesterday right after water change I noticed one of the Cherry Barbs flashing on some rocks, no one had spots, today they show a few ich spots as does the Oto & SAE.
Today 1 Kuhli loach died suddenly-looked injured & no signs of Ich.

Is it safe to treat with Paragaurd since I have 4 Hillstream Loaches, 2 Kuhli loaches left and 1 Amano shrimp in the tank too, they do not show signs of Ich.

I am concerned about turning up the temperature for speeding up the Ich cycle because of the Hillstreams.

Parameters are;

45 gallon tank
Rena XP2 filter + bubble wall
74.5 F

Wondershell 

Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
NitrAte <20
KH 8
GH 300
PH 7.2


Stocking is;

5 cherry Barbs 
1 SAE
1 Amano Shrimp
1 Otocinclus
4 Hillstream Loaches
2 Kuhli's

3 of the Hillstreams & 2 of the Kuhli's were new additions 3 weeks ago. within a day or 2 of adding the new loaches 1 hillstream died and an SAE I've had a few years died too.
The new hillstream I wasn't surprised he just wasn't acclimating/stressed but the SAE was a shock as he never looked ill.
The Kuhli that died today looked like he'd hurt himself not sick and he was fine yesterday...

So that's the story, now how do I treat the ICH without killing/stressing the loaches furthur?

I have a regular wondershell in tank now
I have a Medicated wondershell on hand and
Paragaurd as well as Nox-ich

Having just re-read your article on Ich treatments I think I will start tonight with 1/4 dose of Paragaurd to get something started.
Should I also use a MWS? Again The loaches are my biggest worry.

Thank you for any suggestions on what else to do,

Just when you think your tanks are looking good...

[Carl]

My suggestion is to use ParaGuard at 1/2 dose ALONG WITH Triple Sulfa at full dose.
This should be very safe for any loach and also help with secondary infection.
You might also consider AAP Super Ich Plus which is more effective and one of its active ingredients (Quinine Hydrochloride is 100% safe for ALL fish)

Resource:
www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquatronics.html#super-ich

Carl

[Finney]

Thanks Carl!!

I have both so will proceed as suggested

So far everyone is still active and showing no signs of stress from the Paragaurd.

Will let you know how it turns out-fingers crossed ;

[Finney]

So I am on day 5 of Paragard at 1/2 dose and I did 4 full doses of Triple Sulfa, last one yesterday.

The Ich spots have increased and the Cherry barbs are still flashing.
The Hillstreams seem to be fine, don't see much of the Kuli's and the loan Amano is still alive.

Should I do another round of Triple Sulfa?
Add Metroplex as a feed?
Increase the Paragard doseage?

Just not seeing improvement yet and I don't want to let this get worse, thoughts???

[Carl]

Nov 22, 2019 20:48:39 GMT -5 Finney said:

So I am on day 5 of Paragard at 1/2 dose and I did 4 full doses of Triple Sulfa, last one yesterday.

The Ich spots have increased and the Cherry barbs are still flashing.
The Hillstreams seem to be fine, don't see much of the Kuli's and the loan Amano is still alive.

Should I do another round of Triple Sulfa?
Add Metroplex as a feed?
Increase the Paragard doseage?

Just not seeing improvement yet and I don't want to let this get worse, thoughts???

Sorry I missed this thread/post.

I assume that you have this under control now?

If not, increase ParaGuard dosage or switch to AAP Super Ich Plus.
Make sure to treat Triple Sulf WITH Ich medicine and that all paramters are optimized for the use of ParaGuard or Super Ich Plus as per this Ich article:
www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Ich.html

Carl

[Finney]

Hi Carl,

Sorry I missed this thread/post.



I assume that you have this under control now?



If not, increase ParaGuard dosage or switch to AAP Super Ich Plus.

Make sure to treat Triple Sulf WITH Ich medicine and that all paramters are optimized for the use of ParaGuard or Super Ich Plus as per this Ich article:

www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Ich.html



Carl

I did finally get rid of it. I switched to AAP Super Ich Plus and another round of Triple Sulfa.
It got down to just the Oto still carrying some spots so after another water change I went back to Paragaurd at 1/2 dose and another round of Triple Sulfa until he was completely clear. It took a long time but everyone seems fine now (Knock on wood)

Thanks for the info!