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Post by devonjohnsgard on Nov 6, 2017 13:20:30 GMT -5
The KH is a little low. If the pH is holding, that means all it would take is a little more acids and it would drop. I would up the KH just a bit more.
Nitrate between 40-50, I would do a water change. I do water changes about 40ppm Nitrate.
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Post by Lily on Nov 16, 2017 14:46:06 GMT -5
Hi--
Just a quick update. Crushy is STILL alive; it's been 19 days now that he's been lying at the bottom of the tank. Is a comeback still possible???
This morning's parameters:
NO3 20-40 NO2 0 pH 7.5 KH 120-180 GH 180
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Post by Carl on Nov 17, 2017 10:42:07 GMT -5
Hi-- Just a quick update. Crushy is STILL alive; it's been 19 days now that he's been lying at the bottom of the tank. Is a comeback still possible??? Is Crushy eating? If so, I would say yes, but he may never swim correctly Carl
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Post by Lily on Nov 17, 2017 12:45:03 GMT -5
No...but I stopped putting food in, because very early on he was not making attempts to eat, and it was adding to pollution in the tank. He's just lying on his side the whole time. :-( Should I attempt somehow to put some food right up to his mouth?
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Post by Lily on Nov 17, 2017 12:51:53 GMT -5
I really hate to go here... Can someone please tell me if the clove oil method of euthanasia mentioned below reads accurately? I really don't know if I have the guts to do it. I'd be concerned about under- (or over-) dosing, as it sounds like they are referring to smaller fish in the article (Crushy is about 6-7 inches long; I have to guess and say that he may weigh close to 1/2 pound...though like I said, he has not been eating, for a couple of weeks now; perhaps he's more like 1/4 pound. I never weighed him or his companion fish who passed away in the summer; I have no idea on his actual weight). :-( kb.rspca.org.au/what-is-the-most-humane-way-to-euthanase-aquarium-fish_403.html
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Nov 17, 2017 15:12:39 GMT -5
Seems right... I have never used the method, so I'm not a 100%. I wounder if you can weigh a container of water than put the fish in and weigh the fish.
If it's not eating, that's not a good thing.
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Post by Lily on Nov 17, 2017 16:35:42 GMT -5
I pushed a piece of Herbivore near his mouth a few hours ago; I'm not sure if he ingested any of it. :-( He just lays on his side, moves his eyes around... Occasionally his body "jumps"...it looks like he tries to raise his head and tail; don't know if it's a seizure, spasm, pain... It's really sad.
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Post by Carl on Nov 18, 2017 17:46:22 GMT -5
I pushed a piece of Herbivore near his mouth a few hours ago; I'm not sure if he ingested any of it. :-( He just lays on his side, moves his eyes around... Occasionally his body "jumps"...it looks like he tries to raise his head and tail; don't know if it's a seizure, spasm, pain... It's really sad. sorry for these difficulties. When I have force fed fish, I would usually utilize a more easily liquified and higher energy food such as Spirulina 20, then use small eye dropper to force feed to the fish. Even then, while I've had success doing this, I've probably met with more failure too Resource: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Spirulina20Food.htmlCarl
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Post by Lily on Nov 22, 2017 13:23:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. How do I order the food? I don't see a link where I can click to buy...
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2017 10:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by Lily on Nov 24, 2017 15:02:49 GMT -5
If he's barely opening his mouth now, and the gills are not opening as much; guessing that's a pretty strong indicator that he's near death..? He has been lying on the bottom of the tank for 27 days now, hasn't eaten (to my knowledge) in all those days. :-(
I have the clove oil; just wish I had the guts to use it. :-( Need to find out how to convert the measurement into metric as well.
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Post by Carl on Nov 25, 2017 11:36:22 GMT -5
If he's barely opening his mouth now, and the gills are not opening as much; guessing that's a pretty strong indicator that he's near death..? He has been lying on the bottom of the tank for 27 days now, hasn't eaten (to my knowledge) in all those days. :-( I have the clove oil; just wish I had the guts to use it. :-( Need to find out how to convert the measurement into metric as well. Clove oil is a sedative which at high doses, can be used to euthanase small fish. Unlike veterinary anaesthetics, clove oil is readily available from most chemists. Around 400 mg of clove oil per litre of aquarium water is sufficient to cause death in exposed fish. The clove oil should be mixed with a little warm water first before adding it to the water and fish slowly. Do not add all at once as fish get excited - add the clove oil mix over a 5 minute period.This would be about 1/3 teaspoon per gallon ~~~~~~~~~~~ The method I used which I know many do not care for was placing the fish in a bag then striking on a hard surface Carl
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Post by Lily on Nov 25, 2017 13:38:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. I had the clove oil purchased and was trying to do the math on it yesterday... :-(
I think Crushy passed away very early this morning. :-( A few days ago I read something online regarding how to tell that a fish is dead, but cannot find it at the moment. His gills and mouth are no longer moving. His eyes also are no longer moving. His lower front fins (near gills) appear to be moving/standing upright, but I'm pretty sure it's just the water current from the filter/pumps.
I had read that one would know a fish was dead for certain if a certain amount of time of inactivity gills was seen. Does someone here know that information? Thanks for all of your help.
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Post by Carl on Nov 27, 2017 14:05:23 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. I had the clove oil purchased and was trying to do the math on it yesterday... :-( I think Crushy passed away very early this morning. :-( A few days ago I read something online regarding how to tell that a fish is dead, but cannot find it at the moment. His gills and mouth are no longer moving. His eyes also are no longer moving. His lower front fins (near gills) appear to be moving/standing upright, but I'm pretty sure it's just the water current from the filter/pumps. I had read that one would know a fish was dead for certain if a certain amount of time of inactivity gills was seen. Does someone here know that information? Thanks for all of your help. Sorry for the slow response to this important question (I was not feeling well) Generally lack of gill movement along with no response to stimulation of any kind would confirm death Carl
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Post by Lily on Dec 2, 2017 13:04:02 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. I'm just getting to the library today for the first time this week.
We waited until the next day just to be sure; Crushy was buried the Sunday before last. Thanks to you, Devon, and everyone else for the help. I have a friend who has fish, and I've recommended EA and AAP to her, and plan to send her Crushy's remaining food and supplies.
I will hold on to the aquarium, and in the near future I think, when I am ready, I will only fill it with various aquatic plants. I'm not ready to care for fish again just yet. :-( We had Crushy for 9 years and 3 months.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Dec 2, 2017 13:38:58 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. I'm just getting to the library today for the first time this week. We waited until the next day just to be sure; Crushy was buried the Sunday before last. Thanks to you, Devon, and everyone else for the help. I have a friend who has fish, and I've recommended EA and AAP to her, and plan to send her Crushy's remaining food and supplies. I will hold on to the aquarium, and in the near future I think, when I am ready, I will only fill it with various aquatic plants. I'm not ready to care for fish again just yet. :-( We had Crushy for 9 years and 3 months. 9 years is a great life for a fish in the hobby! Thanks for the update.
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