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Post by bettarescue on Jan 23, 2017 16:59:28 GMT -5
Since I now have access to the most intelligent group of fish minded individuals on the web, I think it's good and time to lay this to rest. It would ease my mind if some of you would be willing to let me know what you think. Her eyes have been like this for as long as she has had the slimy patch (about 5 months). She was a teenager, so to speak, when I got her- so she had her color in and was about 2/3 the way to full grown. I figured it was a maturing change, like the coloration that started coming in on her (once clear) peectoral fins (wich started at the same time). She has a silver ring around both eyes, very metallic as is the rest of her. The eyes are round in shape with no cloudyness, sometimes I think they seem mildly buggy. This band around her eyes is not thick and white, as other Popeye symptoms I have witnessed. My numbers are consistent and stable, with strong tank husbandry routines. The only water quality concern that she has ever experienced was a quick trip into a 10 gal planted Amano shrimp tank those 5 months ago. I just remembered she got a scratch across her snout during her 24 hour visit to that tank. I treated it with bifuran baths and the scratch healed beautifully. Happy to answer any questions, and thank you for taking the time to read this! |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 24, 2017 13:39:56 GMT -5
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Post by Carl on Jan 24, 2017 13:54:32 GMT -5
I am not seeing anything that stands out to me, not that I am also saying you are imagining this as I have noted before you know your fish best and are a very observant person.
What you may be observing is a fish that has some osmoregulation issues, which with the genetic inbreeding in most Bettas is quite likely IMO.
The best way to deal with this is by maintaining the best conditions possible, including mineral Cations, food, stable pH, water changes, etc.
We have a member that is no longer active (goldenpuon) that had some "rescue" goldfish that clearly had issues of either or both genetic and damage from early poor water conditions. She did an amazing job of keeping these goldfish healthy and alive far longer than they should have due to her excellent care. Even then, she still had many battles.
Carl
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Post by bettarescue on Jan 25, 2017 15:33:27 GMT -5
Great article devonjohnsgard! That article is a favorite between another illness buff and myself, she and I are both avid readers of Carls and it saved a majority of her sorority once she read it and diagnosed the strep! That makes a remarkable amount of sense Carl, thank you. As soon as I read your reply it clicked bc she also gets a little puffy in the face from time to time. Orchid is so used to me checking her out she will actually hold still and flair when I put the flashlight on her, so I prob get a better daily look at my fish then other owners do. I have gone back and forth trying to decide if some Epsom salt baths would help more then stress her as I know it helps with fluid retention. Also thought about MB baths too but she's not in distress, uncomfortable, or unhappy so why stress her and risk her catching something opportunistic? ^sigh^ Bettas! I always remind others of betta (and goldfish) genetics, farming, and all the abuse they suffer before you take them home- and how often the damage is irreversable. Osmoregulation is a fairly common issue Bettas have, I wonder why it's talked about so little (besides here) in the hobby? I wonder if her patch staying milky would also be related to this issue? Finally- I appreciate what you said about goldenpuon and her experience... it struck a chord with me. I think it's funny how bettas are listed as hardy beginner fish, but not if you want to keep a fish without fighting an uphill battle. These are not commonly healthy fish, and I was planning on moving away from bettas once my current babies live out their long healthy lives (God willin, and the creek don't rise!) I made myself a promise though- if I can keep these girls alive for 3 full years following every principle of the "aquarium health" article (I'm only missing the UV sterilizer, and will have that soon) then I will find a quality breeder and pioneer on lol Thank you again devonjohnsgard and @carl , you both have been so patient with my long winded obsessive questions- I appreciate both of your help! |
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Post by Carl on Jan 26, 2017 9:43:55 GMT -5
I always remind others of betta (and goldfish) genetics, farming, and all the abuse they suffer before you take them home- and how often the damage is irreversable. Osmoregulation is a fairly common issue Bettas have, I wonder why it's talked about so little (besides here) in the hobby? I wonder if her patch staying milky would also be related to this issue? Osmoregulation is definitely a common issue with Bettas (as well as goldfish & others), but it cannot be blamed for everything. I would look at it more as a contributing factor to other issue. I think a reasonable comparison would be a person with Diabetes as I know person suffering with Diabetes that seem susceptible every virus/bug being passed around (maybe someone else has a better analogy) You're welcome! You have been a great addition here and welcome your thoughts elsewhere Carl |
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jan 26, 2017 12:20:36 GMT -5
Welcome! We enjoy having you here.
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