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Post by Lily on Jun 25, 2016 0:26:06 GMT -5
Hello--
So, when I give Crushy the MB for his cloudy eye, will I simply put one drop in each eye? After that, should I drop him in the bucket (without any added Methylene Blue), or would he immediately be ready to go back in the aquarium? (His wound behind his gill seems to be healing nicely; I think scales are growing back as well).
I'm concerned about Dorothy; tonight caught her laying low, resting on the gravel for seconds at a time, sometimes with head down.
(Fish have been receiving Triple Sulfa treatment; round 2). Since I will be removing tank water for these baths, and I also do not have a dropper, I did not do the recommended 25% change tonight per Triple Sulfa use instructions. Could this be dangerous? I read that some meds can break down and become toxic in the tank.
Was going to do the MB treatment tonight, but there is no dropper or dispenser with the product. :-( I will go to CVS tomorrow morning to purchase a little eye dropper.
Nancy
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Post by Lily on Jun 25, 2016 8:18:40 GMT -5
Just thought of something else:
Is it too high of a dose if my fish (the one with the Cloudy eye) receives both MB eye drops and also a bath with some MB in a bucket?
Also, would that be one drop in each eye?
I have a 3-gallon bucket...does that mean I could (if filled to the 3-gallon line) use up to 30 drops of MB in it? Don't want to overdose or underdose.
Thanks, Nancy
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Post by Carl on Jun 25, 2016 10:00:59 GMT -5
I prefer a swab with something like a Q-tip, as this holds the MB in contact better IMO. I usually combine the Methylene Blue eye drop or swab with the bath. I hold the fish above the bath and any MB just falls off into the bath water. If a 3 gallon bucket is used, 2/3 teaspoon is best (it is safe to OD within reason) From Methylene Blue web page: "To prepare a 30 minute Methylene Blue bath; I use 1 teaspoon 2.303% solution per 5 gallons (double dose) in a bath of aquarium water from the tank the fish you wish to treat came from. We suggest using about a ½ gallon of water, however you may use less. Measurement of the Methylene Blue does not need to be precise (although do not intentionally overdose more than double recommended dose, and even then this should only be used at double strength in fish baths of 30 minutes). Make sure you keep the water in a warm area, as in a cold room the water temperature can drop rapidly which would stress the fish. Do NOT pour this water back into your display aquarium when finished. This can be performed twice per day. "Could you provide a picture and a little more history again? Regards; Carl
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Post by Carl on Jun 25, 2016 10:16:34 GMT -5
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Post by Lily on Jun 25, 2016 16:24:36 GMT -5
Yes, Carl, she was one at a festival. Next month we'll have had her for 8 yrs; in August, we'll have had Crushy for 8 yrs as well.
Charging my camera right now... A little behind the times; I don't have an iPhone where I can instantly post.
These are big fish, but Dorothy is a mammoth! Her body (head to base) is about 7 inches long; she is a thick, chunky fish. Crushy is a more streamlined guy; he appears to be about the same length as Dorothy. (again, body, not including tail length
I think last night part of Dorothy's behavior was due to her looking for food in the gravel. The behavior didn't last long.
Is it normal for fancy goldfish to kind of "dive bomb" on their side towards the gravel and then swim quickly upwards?
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Post by Lily on Jun 26, 2016 7:54:17 GMT -5
I Have a few more questions/concerns:
Performed the Methylene Blue baths for each fish (I didn't reuse the water). These fish are so big they really needed a 3-gallon bath. I used 2/3 tsp Methylene Blue. Also, gave Crushy an eye swab for the Cloudy Eye.
I am going out of town for a few days (at least 3-4, but possibly 7), starting today (if I discover my migraine indeed has left). My husband will be here to feed and monitor the fish, however it is highly unlikely he will do any more than that (and especially MB baths). I did a 25% water change last night after the second Triple Sulfa treatment, adding some aquarium salt. I put the carbon filters back in. There also is a Giant (though non-medicated) Wonder Shell in the tank.
I read that these baths can be done up to twice a day... However, I do not own a hospital tank, and figure that, since I'm taking water from the tank, doing daily water changes could really throw off the balance in the aquarium...correct?
Just wondering how long it will be until I see that this MB is indeed helping; especially helping with Dorothy's red gill and Crushy's Cloudy Eye. Both of them have been much perkier since their baths. For a few weeks, Crushy was only staying to one half of the tank, for a couple of months, perhaps. After the MB bath, he's now swimming around the entire aquarium. (P.S. Did get a new bubbler about 1 1/2-2 wks ago; the other had been much taller (looked kind of like coral, jagged with lots of holes--but holes weren't quite large enough for fish to fit through anymore). I was wondering if perhaps Crushy injured himself on that old bubbler... Either that or it just seemed an obstruction to him that he didn't want to even bother swimming to that half of the tank (this old bubbler I had for probably close to a year).
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Post by troybtj on Jun 26, 2016 9:57:34 GMT -5
The carbon will remove any medicine added to the aquarium. Carbon is not a required component, only the mechanical filtration and biological filtration are. That is just the filter "pads", and something for the good bacteria to live on, such as Seachem Matrix, or a very coarse/open pad located after the primary filter that isn't changed out.
You'll only need to worry about the good bacteria after your Sulfa and MB tank treatments, the aquarium may go into a mini cycle where the ammonia and nitrites bounce up for a week. This could kill an already wounded fish. The treatments given so far may have already done so. I'd suggest a quick Ammonia and Nitrite test before leaving.
There are "band aids" for an ammonia and nitrite spike, such as adding Seachem Prime, which can save your fish while you are gone. If your tests show all is well, you may not need to use that daily.
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Post by Carl on Jun 26, 2016 10:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by Lily on Jun 26, 2016 12:39:12 GMT -5
Thank you, Carl. I will order a medicated Wonder Shell. Surely my husband can drop one of those in.
How often can I give the MB baths? (considering I don't have a hospital tank and therefore have to use the tank water)
I'm guessing (hoping!) you sell Metronidazole and Kanaplex as well... Should the dosing for my situation be on the package?
If still available, should I order a bottle of the Fungex as well?
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Post by Lily on Jun 26, 2016 15:46:12 GMT -5
I don't see where I can post pics here... Don't know where to click. Carl, I will try to e-mail you the latest pics of the fish.
Nancy
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Post by Carl on Jun 27, 2016 8:58:44 GMT -5
I don't see where I can post pics here... Don't know where to click. Carl, I will try to e-mail you the latest pics of the fish. Nancy When you use the standard reply, there is a button that says add attachment (we pay extra every month for this feature too) You can also add a hosted picture via the picture icon (7 from right) See this tutorial: everythingaquatic.proboards.com/thread/4292/posting-pictures-using-dropbox-tutorialSending pictures to our business email can get lost, but Steven did figure this out and forward these to me Carl Attachments:
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Post by Carl on Jun 27, 2016 9:06:10 GMT -5
Thank you, Carl. I will order a medicated Wonder Shell. Surely my husband can drop one of those in. How often can I give the MB baths? (considering I don't have a hospital tank and therefore have to use the tank water) I'm guessing (hoping!) you sell Metronidazole and Kanaplex as well... Should the dosing for my situation be on the package? If still available, should I order a bottle of the Fungex as well? The baths should be daily. In looking at your fish, I would use a MB, AAP Furan 2, & Kanaplex combination for fish baths As for the eye issue, while the eye fungex is your best bet, this appears to be an infection of an aging fish from my experience, and positive results are less likely Carl
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Post by Lily on Jul 4, 2016 15:42:33 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. Got home late last night. Medicated Wonder Shell (1 Giant) has been in the tank (60 Gallon) since about Wednesday. How long do I leave it in? (carbon filters were removed) When should I do a water change/how often?
Just want to clarify: When you say use an MB, AAP Furan 2, and Kanaplex, this is strictly for the fish baths? (which I administer in a bucket)
How many times a week on the fish bath?
Crushy (white fish) seems to be doing a bit worse... He's spending most of the time sitting near the bottom of the right side of the tank.
Nancy
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Post by Lily on Jul 5, 2016 8:34:57 GMT -5
Sorry--read again and do see you say daily fish baths...
I have another concern: Won't these baths--using tank water in bucket--mess up the pH???
Nancy
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Post by Carl on Jul 5, 2016 9:26:45 GMT -5
The Medicated Wonder Shell should be left in until gone
The ph or any other parameter should not be "messed up" by use of tank water for baths. This should be treated the same way as a water change. The lessor amount of water used for a bath, the less water that needs treating/adjusting for replacement.
Carl
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Post by Lily on Jul 6, 2016 16:38:47 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl.
Feeling a bit overwhelmed! Do you think I should discontinue the Triple Sulfa and now only do Methylene Blue/AAP Furan 2/Kanaplex baths?
ALso, if I'm going to be giving baths nearly every day, when can I start using the carbon filters again? Does the 10% water change daily make up for that?
Thanks, Nancy
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Post by Carl on Jul 6, 2016 21:51:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. Feeling a bit overwhelmed! Do you think I should discontinue the Triple Sulfa and now only do Methylene Blue/AAP Furan 2/Kanaplex baths? Only if you have finished all treatments as prescribed, otherwise this can cause even more issues Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Medication.html#treatment_finishYes, as long as you are finished with the Medicated Wonder Shell Carl
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Post by Lily on Jul 8, 2016 12:37:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. I'm still confused..
I did two rounds of the Triple Sulfa... In the link you gave above, it said that Triple Sulfa is the exception (that instead of 1 or 2 rounds, one should give 3 or 4 of a med; it said that Triple Sulfa is the exception).
Also, these Methylene Blue baths are causing Dorothy (largest fish) a lot of stress. (She's so big; 1-1/2 gallons in a bucket for 30 minutes is a tight space for her).
I just don't know: Should I start up again with the Triple Sulfa. All I've been doing since I"ve come home from vacation is the Methylene Blue baths (also have a Medicated Wonder Shell in tank which is almost dissolved). I have one extra, unused Medicated Wonder Shell here too, by the way.
Nancy
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Jul 8, 2016 15:33:22 GMT -5
You need to do 4 rounds of Triple Sulfa. 4 in a row is what was needed. Since only 2 happened, you might want to take a break then do 4 again after a while.
Maybe you can get a 10 gal and do your baths in that.
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2016 17:43:15 GMT -5
Triple Sulfa tends to be the exception as for as bacterial resistance by not usually fully, but it still will not work unless given its full term as Devon noted. You may also need to switch to something stronger, such as Furan 2 & Kanamycin or stronger yet such as the previous two PLUS /ParaGuard Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumMedication2.html#aquatronicsWhat might be helpful going forward as I answer so many questions daily (not just here)and it is difficult to keep track with out a journal (as would your medical professionals an I did for my paid clients I called ), is to keep a journal and post it here for me and t=others to keep track of treatment, parameters, water changes, foods fed, and any progress or worsening of conditions. New pictures are always helpful Carl
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