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Post by Carl on Dec 24, 2014 13:30:24 GMT -5
Since the subject of search engine use for information, product, and pictures has been brought up many times, I thought I would start a separate thread here rather than stray off subject in other threads. While I definitely like DuckDuckGo best for all "web" searches, I have to admit their picture search leaves a bit to be desired for now. Personally I like Bing here as the relevance is much better than Google and it opens the picture in a different window (which is admittedly is a personal preference as I do not like using the back button) Here is a quick test for picture searches between Bing and Google; type in: T2 Aquarium Light In Google you get military tanks first, while in Bing you get relevant results As for information and product, I find Google is all about their advertisers, whether a product search or an information search What is interesting to me is I have found that DuckDuckGo often ties good research and updated content to product searches as well, while Google is about the marketing. Here is a quick test; type in: Aquarium UV Sterilization In Google it is nothing but spam and product on page one, HOWEVER this keyword search is about a SCIENTIFIC PROCESS not products as Google displays (and so are some of the results from DuckDuckGo too) Worse yet, some of the products that comes up in Google do not even carry out the process of UV Sterilization, only Clarification. Further Information: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumUVSterilization.htmlCarl
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Post by Carl on Dec 24, 2014 13:39:50 GMT -5
What is further interesting as per the search term of aquarium uv sterilization is that the AAP uses a paid Google Search Bar on their website and this same search is 100% accurate for content. In fact in testing this search bar, the only time results are less than accurate is because we have not correctly filled out title keywords or content is missing (which is not the fault of the search bar, rather our fault)
This makes an intertesting poin that Google full well knows how to build a very good search engine but no longer chooses to.
My brother (who is designs and build web sites, specializing in Internet security) sent me a message & link just last week where it has been revealed that Google is no longer even using keywords in searches other then from their advertisers
Carl
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 20:20:29 GMT -5
All very good points....and I really need to quit reading posts here as then I have replies swimming around in my head......(This is a problem as it is Christmas eve and I should have Visions of Sugar Plums dancing in my head....Hubby and son are watching a movie)
The key to finding out what you want - no matter what the search engine is -- is to use the right key words. I just did a test using the selected key words I wanted - using all of those search engines listed.... and the American Aquarium Products page and Aquarium and Pond answers came up first choices. AAP has always come up first choice (or very close to the top) when I do searches looking for information on care for my fish. I did find using Hydrogen Peroxide on another site first, so "Googled" using hydrogen peroxide for Columnaris to find the page on AAP... so I could get more information on uses and effectiveness.
When I was researching UV Sterilizers, I used American Aquarium Products as my starting point.... then entered key word searches for everything I could find about the ones listed on AAP -- including installation of (name of product- and reviews of (name of product). I also looked up the companies that manufacture them (also considered a custom made one directly from AAP). If I recall correctly, I couldn't find much about the manufacturer of one.... Can't really remember now.
I did have a lot of fun sending a smile to the owner of the company where I buy fish. I told him my decision not to invest in a UV Sterilizer so I could buy more fish! Cost wasn't an issue -- it was the inability to service one and no where to place it -- there just isn't room. The only ones that might fit would be the "Green Machine" internal and I don't need that - no algae.....and those are not recommended on AAP anyways.
One bonus benefit of using DuckDuckGo for me was totally unexpected. I wasn't able to use Etsy (the place where I buy beads for my jewelry making)... I had to switch back to Mozilla Firefox just to use Etsy. Now I can use Etsy again in Chrome. I found that while DuckDuckGo may not track, somehow Chrome still does. Ads for Novica (where I buy unique Fair Trade gifts) still come up on pages -- even after clearing history many times. I haven't been to Novica (from National Geographic) since before I started using DuckDuckGo. Since I often do image searches, I am just going to bookmark Google to do all of my searches. I am not changing my settings as I do need to be able to use Etsy more conveniently. I have Mozilla disabled/hidden, but didn't uninstall it. I deliberately do not have any browser set up as default (so I can also use Internet Explorer, too).
Three Cheers,
Judy
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Post by Carl on Dec 25, 2014 12:00:33 GMT -5
There are actually submersibles that perform level one UV Sterilization, but not many, and even the company I get these from, the majority of the submersibles are just clarifiers While the best of the bunch, the SunSun CUP series, can and does perform level one Sterilization, it is still not to the level of the Vectons, but then it is far better than a Green Killing Machine or no UV at all Further Reading: www.uvsterilizerreview.com/2010/12/internal-uv-sterilizer-filter-pump.htmlOf course the main point of the thread was about search engines, and I find it interesting how much better the paid Google search bar works than their own search engine, but then the persons I consulted about getting a better search bar told me rather bluntly last year that regardless of my opinions about Google, if I wanted the best most accurate search bar, the paid custom search bar from Google was what I needed to purchase Carl
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Post by parker002 on Jan 12, 2015 11:29:10 GMT -5
I've switched to DuckDuckGo on all devices since Apple integrated it into their iOS/Safari engine. I have to admit, I even use the image search now as it produces much better results. It's also configurable so that you can display multiple images similar to Yahoo or Google.
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Post by Carl on Jan 12, 2015 18:39:20 GMT -5
I've switched to DuckDuckGo on all devices since Apple integrated it into their iOS/Safari engine. I have to admit, I even use the image search now as it produces much better results. It's also configurable so that you can display multiple images similar to Yahoo or Google. Yes I definitely like how DuckDuckGo fixed their image search so that now it is now just a scrolling bar. The only aspect I would personally prefer is opening in a separate tab as in Bing so that I do no have to hit the back button. BTW; Go Oregon Ducks! Carl
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Post by parker002 on Jan 13, 2015 10:04:32 GMT -5
If you click the little grid icon, it changes from a scrolling bar to a grid view similar to Yahoo. From there, if you open individual pictures in new tabs to view them, you don't have to hit the back button. You just close the tab and it takes you back to your original search.
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Post by Carl on Jan 13, 2015 10:53:54 GMT -5
If you click the little grid icon, it changes from a scrolling bar to a grid view similar to Yahoo. From there, if you open individual pictures in new tabs to view them, you don't have to hit the back button. You just close the tab and it takes you back to your original search. I was referring to if you then further click on the picture to enlarge and visit the unique url address of the picture, although right clicking and then using "open in new tab" solves this problem. Carl
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Post by parker002 on Jan 13, 2015 11:25:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess it's just second nature for me. I never left-click hyperlinks anymore. I always right click and then open in a new tab. I've got 40 or 50 tabs open at any given time.
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Post by Carl on Jan 13, 2015 12:48:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess it's just second nature for me. I never left-click hyperlinks anymore. I always right click and then open in a new tab. I've got 40 or 50 tabs open at any given time. Yeh, that's my problem; I am a left clicker by nature (no political pun intended I know my co-workers and kids use the right click all the time such as for copying and pasting, but I have always preferred the "control V" and "control c" Carl
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 13:38:40 GMT -5
Yeah! Buckeyes! and the game wasn't even very close. My brother thinks they may even be able to repeat next year. Time will tell.
I know this is off topic, but you folks brought it up.
Judy
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Post by parker002 on Jan 13, 2015 14:41:38 GMT -5
As long as Urban Meyer's heart is in it (yes, that was a pun ), the Buckeyes will be in the championship hunt probably every year. He's one of the best college coaches ever, IMHO.
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Post by Carl on Jan 13, 2015 18:53:01 GMT -5
As long as Urban Meyer's heart is in it (yes, that was a pun ), the Buckeyes will be in the championship hunt probably every year. He's one of the best college coaches ever, IMHO. Even as a Pac 12 and Oregon fan, I have to agree with you here, as I think he is an awesome coach. In fact IMHO, the game was won on coaching and while Oregon's coach is good, the better coach's team won. Carl
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Post by parker002 on Jan 14, 2015 8:46:02 GMT -5
Like I said, "as long as his heart is in it".
I find it highly suspect that he left Florida because he was having heart and other health problems, plus he needed to spend more time with his family, only to turn up at Ohio State a mere one year later.
I'm not real sure how much respect I have for Urban Meyer as a human being but as a football coach, outside of an argument maybe for Nick Saban (who also has a history of leaving teams high and dry), Urban Meyer is the best I've seen recently.
As for Oregon, I think Mark Helfrich is an excellent X's and O's coach. What remains to be seen is whether or not he can win without Chip Kelly's players. Can he keep the recruiting pipeline going? He'll certainly have the financial resources to do so, if you know what I mean.
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Post by Carl on Jan 14, 2015 10:41:48 GMT -5
Like I said, "as long as his heart is in it". I find it highly suspect that he left Florida because he was having heart and other health problems, plus he needed to spend more time with his family, only to turn up at Ohio State a mere one year later. I'm not real sure how much respect I have for Urban Meyer as a human being but as a football coach, outside of an argument maybe for Nick Saban (who also has a history of leaving teams high and dry), Urban Meyer is the best I've seen recently. I totally agree. Kinda brings to mind an past Ohio State coach; Woody Hayes. I had a difficult time not cheering against ANY team that played OS for years because of this man Again, I totally agree. The other problem I have seen with Mark Helfrich is while he is generally good at X's and O's before games, he has never been very good at half time adjustments, with the OS game as a perfect example. Carl
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