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Post by Carl on Feb 3, 2014 9:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by angelminx on Feb 6, 2015 19:27:13 GMT -5
I have a quick question about goldfish that I haven't seen any real information on. Quite a while ago I saw an article that mentioned some goldfish that were called China Dolls (or Taiwan or Siamese Dolls. It said that they were small fish that never grow very big--I think it was an inch or two. Has anyone else heard of them, or know anything about them?
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Post by Carl on Feb 7, 2015 11:45:01 GMT -5
I have heard of them, but have not kept them.
I will ask a goldfish breeder friend in LA if he knows when I talk to him next
Carl
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Post by angelminx on Feb 7, 2015 17:28:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Carl. It's been a few years since I heard of them, and always wondered.
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Post by devonjohnsgard on Feb 9, 2015 18:27:25 GMT -5
Interesting
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Post by angelminx on Mar 1, 2015 13:55:54 GMT -5
8-|I just ran across a column (Fishkidz) in my Oct '05 issue of Aquarium Fish Magazine that briefly (the question was not particularly about them) mentions "China Dolls". It says they are a hybrid goldfish that never get much bigger than 2" SL, and come in 3 varieties: black, calico, and gold/albino. That still doesn't tell me the tail-type or body shape, but I thought I'd let you all know what I had found .
Angelminx
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Post by angelminx on Mar 3, 2015 16:26:55 GMT -5
A quick note:
Most of my aquarium books are from before 2000. My newest goldfish book is dated 1996, and is The Official Guide To Goldfish, by the Goldfish Society of America; China Dolls must not have been in existence at this time, because they were not listed in this edition.
Angelminx
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Post by Carl on Mar 4, 2015 11:07:40 GMT -5
Still not real common from what I understand. These are basically small versions of common ryukins, etc. Here is a short blog post: obsessivegoldfishdisorder.blogspot.com/2010/03/china-doll-goldfish.htmlThe picture below compares the size of a China Doll Black Moor to a Neon Tetra The problem I see is that this is all based on size, and since this can not be known until the fish is mature in at least a few years, it would be easy to have a all sorts of small goldfish pawned off as so-called China Dolls, only to end up continuing to grow over the years. Carl
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Post by angelminx on Mar 9, 2015 1:58:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to move the previously posted comments from this discussion on China Dolls to the Goldfish sub-board, so after this post, I'll continue with anything else in a new thread, labeled China Dolls.
A couple more things I've read: 1) the fish are called China Dolls, Siamese Dolls or Taiwan Dolls depending on where they were bred. The ones David Lass sold to stores (at the time this was mentioned in his column--March 2006 issue AFM) came from either Taiwan or Thailand, and the only available variety were the telescope-eyed fish. 2) in his experience, the calicos were the hardiest and easiest to keep, and the gold/albinos were weak and did not do well, while the black ones were sometimes strong, and sometimes weak.
Angelminx
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Post by Carl on Oct 22, 2016 16:46:07 GMT -5
I have updated the Goldfish Profiles article. Here is an excerpt from the Oranda section under feeding: "Like ALL Goldfish, Orandas and Lionheads are primarily herbivores. Orandas and Lionheads often are VERY sensitive to poor diets due to in-breeding that has left their internal organs (especially the digestive tract) in poor condition to digest food. Generally a quality goldfish pellet/crumble food makes a good food for goldfish which have a slow digestive system.
DL-methionine is an essential amino acid for producing the “Lionhead” feature in goldfish. High levels of methionine can be found in the vegetable proteins of spinach, green peas, garlic, and Vegetable protein extract. These ingredients are used in many commercial foods such as Sanyu Koi and Goldfish Food. DL-methionine can also be found in fish meal.
Fish Food Guru Clay Neighbor's AAP Custom FoodsAs noted for Comets, Oranda Goldfish are even more low energy and with a slow digestive system which makes some food often much better for them than others. Fish Food Guru Clay Neighbor's AAP Custom Hervivore is an excellent choice for goldfish in that it is is easily digestible, has correct protein levels, and addresses the "energy points" that in most all other goldfish diets is much too high (resulting in fatty liver issues, bloating, lowered disease resistance, etc.)."Reference: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Goldfish.htmlCarl
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