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Post by sammiesam on Dec 17, 2011 13:48:49 GMT -5
So I was thinking, when I leave I am going to take all the ornaments and stuff out of the tank so that my grandma can actually find all the fish and count them, cause otherwise she'll have no idea where the loaches are, and the minnows hide in a plant. Do you think this is a good idea, I don't want to stress them out more than I have to, but at the same time I don't want a fish dying and being in the tank for days without being noticed.
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Post by Carl on Dec 17, 2011 15:04:00 GMT -5
I would leave at least some so as to no stress fish due lack of places to hide or simply a sudden change.
This is just an opinion though.
Carl
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Post by sammiesam on Dec 19, 2011 1:58:01 GMT -5
So last update before I fly out and MAYBE some good news. bad news first, my poor Paddington is still looking very ill, no signs or symptoms of any parasite, the only thing is complete lethargy, like wont even sit up right and breathing extremely fast. I don't expect him to make it til I get home. GOOD NEWS: The rest of the tank is starting to look good. The remaining gourami has no red worms showing and today when I was doing a water change I noticed that she had a long string of healthy looking poop, which is a great sign. So she's eating something, obviously and the parasite isn't taking it all since she's pooping YAYYYY!!!! I am hopeful that I won't lose too many fish while I am away. And I decided not to remove any of their plants or ornaments, I just left notes on where the loaches like to hide to keep an eye on them. I have also told my gma what to do with the medicated wondershells when they come in, hopefully tomorrow or the next day. Thank you so much for you input and advice Carl, I really do appreciate everything you do for me, you're an amazing friend. I hope everyone here has a great Christmas and a nice break from life for a least a couple days. See you when I get home
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Post by Carl on Dec 19, 2011 9:54:23 GMT -5
Have a good/safe trip and a great Christmas Sam! Carl
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Dec 19, 2011 11:54:56 GMT -5
This is kinda late, but Jungle Parasite Clear is carried by Wal-mart.
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Post by goldenpuon on Dec 19, 2011 13:34:01 GMT -5
Sorry I am late to this thread. But I hope your remaining fish make it Sami and sorry for your loss. I also beleive that Petsmart may carry Jungle Parasite Clear. I am not positive though, they used to carry it where I lived all the time 5 years ago but since they may have switched. I have not been paying too much attention to what they carry now. I have not dealt with camalanus worms before, but Jungle Anti-Parasite food may help as well if the fish are still eating. My goldfish and guppies actually like the food even though it is medicated, but other fish species are more hesitant to eat it since they are more picky by nature. Happy holidays and best of luck!
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Post by Carl on Dec 19, 2011 16:59:55 GMT -5
This is kinda late, but Jungle Parasite Clear is carried by Wal-mart. Parasite Clear was picked up be Tetra several months ago and is widely available. I have a a formulation for using it as a medicated food soak on the web page I sell it on. It is the "Anti-Parasite Medicated Food" that has been discontinued (hopefully not forever) Carl
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Post by sammiesam on Dec 20, 2011 2:07:08 GMT -5
yeah I have been using the parasite clear, but have read that it has very limited success with this worm. And it is at walmart, i realized after I went all over searching for it. No petsmart doesnt have it, nor does petland. I had to go to one of the fish specialty stores here in calgary to find it. I never thought to check walmart until I wandered by the pet stuff one day since I usually don't get any fish stuff from there.
But none the less, Paddington died soon after I flew out and the rest is in the hands of the fish gods since I didn't want to make anyone else medicate teh tank for me while I am gone. But we shall see, it wasn't looking so bad this morning. Thanks for your replies guys, Merry christmas and happy holidays
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Post by Carl on Dec 20, 2011 10:45:16 GMT -5
yeah I have been using the parasite clear, but have read that it has very limited success with this worm. When used in the water success is indeed very limited, HOWEVER as I note on our website paging selling Parasite Clear, when used as a fish food soak, it can be and is successful, assuming the fish will eat in the first place (which is the problem with the discontinued product; getting the fish to eat in the first place). This is information Walmart does not provide Anyway; Merry Christmas Carl
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Post by sammiesam on Jan 7, 2012 22:43:30 GMT -5
So I've been home for a couple days now and just wanted to give you an update. I did not lose a single fish while I was on holidays...not one. I was so shocked and happy. Watching over the tank for the last couple days all looks good, the one gourami still shows signs of a sickness, but is eating and pooping, has a single worm showing. I am going to do another treatment of the tank this week as well as attempt the food soak again but they all seem to hate it, I am guessing the meds taste pretty horrible. Anyways, I suppose thats good news. I know it's not 100% gone but it's slowing down thats for sure
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Post by Carl on Jan 8, 2012 13:16:26 GMT -5
I think this is VERY good news as these worms can be very difficult, especially now since the best meds to fight this are no longer available (which is why the fish food soak is so important using either Parasite Clear or API General Cure) I definitely recommend continuing the fish food soak since your gouramis is still eating (which is 3/4 the battle in my experience as once the fish refuses to eat, I rarely have had success in killing off internal worms) Carl
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Post by goldenpuon on Jan 9, 2012 23:09:38 GMT -5
I am happy all the fish made it over the holidays Sammie! That is great news. Congrats as well with your success so far with treating the worms. With what Carl has said, treating it doesn't sound easy. Good job!
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Post by sammiesam on Jan 18, 2012 12:43:57 GMT -5
Lil PI died last night, my oldest loach of around 4 years old. I'm sad about that one. He had been looking lethargic and breathing hard for the last week, and i tried to quarantine him a couple days ago...and if anyone knows loaches, you know they are sneaky and persistent buggers and he wouldn't stay in the cube and found all ways to get out even with a cover. So I figured if he still had that much energy then he was fine in the tank for now. Well the night before last the other two smaller loaches attacked him and he had some war wounds when I checked on him yesterday morning, blood pooling in his tail from a wound and a bunch of nip0 marks along his body. So I finally got him into quarantine without him jumping out but he passed away in the night RIP lil PI
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Post by Carl on Jan 18, 2012 19:13:04 GMT -5
Sorry for your poor loach Sad he had to go this way too, but you tried to save him Carl
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on May 25, 2012 15:21:59 GMT -5
going back through this thread...I'm wondering if it isn't a good idea to soak food periodically with internal meds...like Deworming a dog, cat, or horse...you deworm BEFORE you see evidence of worms. we always dewormed our horses, dogs and cats every 6 months...
Ideas?
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Post by parker002 on May 25, 2012 16:41:01 GMT -5
Parasites have to be introduced from somewhere. For horses and dogs or any animal that lives outdoors, including pond fish, that could be from contaminated food, consuming other animals (dogs and cats often get tapeworms from eating rodents), or in the case of pongs, bird feces.
For an indoor aquarium, I would think the only time you'd need to do a preventative treatment is when you're introducing new fish...
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Post by coralbandit on Nov 24, 2012 7:58:44 GMT -5
Late in the game for this post, but for future reference;csharrison@inkmaker.net .Source of levamisole and a wealth of knowledge.charles is always prompt to reply and very helpful.Also fluebendazole. also search inkmaker charles harrison. And yet www.aquariumforum.com/f5/worms-40236.html another link As a fellow "keeper" I registered here specifically to share this info and hope any who read this(carl) will share this with all who need help with the worm. Hope none ever need him but, his knowledge is well known on many other forums.HE'S THE MAN!
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2012 12:40:26 GMT -5
Thanks coralbandit; I believe this is one of the links you are referring to: www.aquariumforum.com/f5/camallanus-39284-2.htmlBeside prevention, levamisole is certainly one of the best choices for most nematodes, but obtaining it of late is often difficult, so if you have a direct link for this medication, that would be helpful to many & it could be posted here and in our articles. Carl
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2012 15:06:23 GMT -5
I found the link you were referring to to purchase levamisole and added it to the Aquarium Parasite Article at Aquarium AnswersI also added some more cautions since this medication is often incorrectly recommended for the treatment " Aquarium Planaria" which 99% of the time are actually Detritus worms. I have and continue to know of mass fish die offs from this incorrect diagnosis and use of levamisole Carl
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