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Mar 2, 2010 22:50:46 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 2, 2010 22:50:46 GMT -5
i went against my better judgement and saved a mixed hybrid out of an assorted tank. its colors are majorily purple in all different shades. and yellow. my first thaught looking at it in the store was bumblbee hybrid cuz it was majorily black. i got it in the bag it faded to yellow and purple with verticle bars. i acclimated it and placed it in my tank let it establish dominance and it is now dominate fish in my tank and all purple. with a yellow mowhawk on its forhead and yellow on the dorsal.
now im stumped. only thing similar would be kenyi colors but there not the right shades of yellow or blue/purple. so what hybrid could this possibly be. i will upload some photos when i can get one that isnt all blurred.
also this fish is largest in my tank at just under 5 inches.
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Mar 2, 2010 23:21:32 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 2, 2010 23:21:32 GMT -5
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Mar 2, 2010 23:50:57 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 2, 2010 23:50:57 GMT -5
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Mar 3, 2010 10:40:26 GMT -5
Post by Carl on Mar 3, 2010 10:40:26 GMT -5
The only thing I feel relatively confident in stating is that he is a Pseudotropheus (which you probably already know); what species or hybrid of species is the $million dollar question. Here is one consideration: Pseudotropheus elongatus "Ornatus"Hopefully others (such as Brenda or Jon) will come along with their suggestions or thoughts. Carl
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Mar 3, 2010 11:25:09 GMT -5
Post by jonv on Mar 3, 2010 11:25:09 GMT -5
Initally looks like that could be a young developing male Zebra Hongi Red top. Possible. I would feel one thing, whatever it is, it's male showing color like that. Very seldom do any females of the Mbuna types show color to such degree. And not as an attack but the picture is a bit fuzzy so getting a better look at what color that is would help. Hybrid or not will be hard to tell at this point, over the course of time as it matures and more features fully develop will help on that. It looks mid morph into whatever sexual maturity onset will show. Kenyi's for example mid morph from blue to yellow on males, they almost appear brownish so again, need probably a bit more time to see on that aspect.
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Mar 3, 2010 14:29:50 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 3, 2010 14:29:50 GMT -5
thanks guys. no matter what happens hes staying in my tank it was horrible the tank he came out of. like i said earlier i definately saved him. as for if it screws up my single species thats just a wrench in the plan and some bad luck. but im going to continue taking pictures month by month and if there is any changes in color ill let you guys know and im trying to ask some local friends if they got a decent digital camera i can use. my camera phone is alright but definately not meant for taking pictures of fish.
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Mar 3, 2010 15:40:39 GMT -5
Post by Carl on Mar 3, 2010 15:40:39 GMT -5
Thanks Jon for your experienced opinion. I stand corrected as to my thinking it was a species of Pseudotropheus Here is a link to a Zebra Hongi Red top: Red Top Hongi (Labidochromis hongi)Carl
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Mar 3, 2010 15:58:45 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 3, 2010 15:58:45 GMT -5
thanks again. im still thinking its a cross between a longfin pelvic zebra possibly with a redtop or elongatus but is it common for zebras to turn black. ive never really seen any myself i always thaught that was more of a psuedo trait.
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Mar 3, 2010 16:26:34 GMT -5
Post by brenda on Mar 3, 2010 16:26:34 GMT -5
To me it looks more similar to some kind of Cynotilapia afra whether it be mixed or not. Check out example. www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1371It is really hard to tell in these pics. Try to get some better ones if you can. Maybe its a cyn pseudo mix....
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Mar 3, 2010 18:51:35 GMT -5
Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 3, 2010 18:51:35 GMT -5
I was definately thinking a pseudiotropheus as well....now with Jon`s input I am stumped. one thing i do feel tho is that he isn`t a hybrid but more of a full blood. I may be wrong but thats my educated guess!!
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Mar 3, 2010 18:55:56 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 3, 2010 18:55:56 GMT -5
if it matters it came from petsmart assorted tank. with alot of random other larger mean cruel fish in there.
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Mar 3, 2010 19:04:04 GMT -5
Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 3, 2010 19:04:04 GMT -5
that doesn`t make much difference. in my experience, their staff is too unknowledgable to add compatible fish togeather. they almost seem to take the total fish safety asspect and toss it away. the only reason their fish don`t kill each other is cause the tanks are always overstocked....
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Mar 3, 2010 20:28:50 GMT -5
Post by jonv on Mar 3, 2010 20:28:50 GMT -5
I like Brenda's Cynotilapia add because that's a good chance too. They really aren't that uncommon in the hobby and keep in mind, chain stores like a pet smart are contracted to buy from mass breeders who lack the staff, in order to make a profit, to properly monitor tanks, not to mention the education level in breeding isn't exactly up to par in most cases. I mean anyone who reads and knows how fish breed can slap a male and female together and breed fish, but knowing the species isn't something I feel the mass breeders stress in hiring.
Not to add more confusion, but a closer look at pic three sort of suggests there might even be some Labiotroph in them. The curvature on the mouth is suggesting strongly of an algea scraper much like the pair Bike picked up months ago. I think a little more time and maturity of the fish will reveal a bit more and if you can get some stronger light in the tank to reveal a better shot of the body would help. Not to put a damper on it also, but yes, down the road the addition of that fish I'd say 90% certain is going to throw the balance off in the tank. The size of the tank just is too small to accomdate another male especially with Mbuna. You might have a few months or so, you might even get a year, hard to say when aggression onset will kick in, but I'd bet the ranch at some point down the road it's not going to stay in harmony in that tank with him there.
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Mar 3, 2010 21:12:09 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 3, 2010 21:12:09 GMT -5
well worst case scenario i can always return my socolofi back to the bloomington for i did have the luck in buying them from a private store instead of chain.
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Post by corycatwoman on Mar 4, 2010 0:04:09 GMT -5
he wouldnt cooperate so i snagged him in the net and pinned him between the net and glass to get the last few but i hope this is what you guys need to let me know what im dealing with here. and he is rather pretty now isnt he?
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Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 4, 2010 0:06:06 GMT -5
he definately looks pseudiotropheus from this pic....again...not a hybrid
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Mar 4, 2010 11:13:21 GMT -5
Post by Carl on Mar 4, 2010 11:13:21 GMT -5
All I can say is that these pictures make me go back to my original thoughts of a Pseudotropheus species based on body shape, but which one or a hybrid is where I am at a loss. Brenda's thoughts of a Cynotilapia afra (possibly mix) still has me curious too, as when reading more I have found that these are often confused with Pseudotropheus. See this article I found: Cynotilapia afraCarl
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Mar 4, 2010 13:41:09 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 4, 2010 13:41:09 GMT -5
thanks carl. im very familiar with cyno's for they are one of the few ideal species i can fit single species in my 30. i studied them up great deal aswell as the socolofi. its just a lame deal that the socolofi were hybrids. and we cant figure out what this guy is so far everyone gets along despite everyone having alot of blue through out there body. but with mbuna everything can be in perfect harmony 1 day and world war 3 the next.
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Mar 4, 2010 13:56:30 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 4, 2010 13:56:30 GMT -5
since i got on the topic of my socolofi possibly being hybrids i did snag both of them up last night aswell should i post them here or in a new thread to see if i can get an id on them aswell?
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Mar 4, 2010 13:57:52 GMT -5
Post by corycatwoman on Mar 4, 2010 13:57:52 GMT -5
1 of them i am pretty sure may be full blood the other has alot more white in him which makes me think hmm hybrid. and ones body shape fits the psuedo and the other looks well i dont even know. almost hap like. with mbuna fins.
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