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Post by bikeguy33 on Apr 4, 2009 17:14:13 GMT -5
as of late, there have been alot of comments mentioned on compatibility. a couple years ago i found a site that has a very easy to use compatibility chart. punch in the 2 types of fish and it will let you know the compatibility. it also offers a few general facts about said fish. surprisingly enough....the list is pretty complete encompassing most of the popular fish in our trade although the cichlid part i`d like to see a lil more complete. the site is www.tropicalfishandaquariums.com/Compatibility/index.php |
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Post by murdock6701 on Apr 4, 2009 18:04:31 GMT -5
Bill, that is freakin' awesome - well done my friend - they should post in in fish stores! now, if only there were a chart that shows a picture of a "cutesy" fish w/ a warning as to compatability and a few facts about them so as to avoid the horror stories or the "what am I going to do w/ all theses fry" stories! LOL! I always believed it was better if you knew what you were looking for and did a little reading first rather than buying on impulse.....
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Post by murdock6701 on Apr 4, 2009 18:08:21 GMT -5
one more comment, is there a way to add that link to our homepage or somewhere pertinent so it doesn't get lost and is available 24/7? please Eve.....?
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Post by bikeguy33 on Apr 4, 2009 18:11:07 GMT -5
i like this chart.....although it is basic, it gives especially newbies an idea of compatibility
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Post by murdock6701 on Apr 4, 2009 18:27:33 GMT -5
yes, and it's not totally 100% inclusive but it is a great start, plus, you will always have exceptions - it also fails to mention that some of the compatable fish require larger tanks - as an example, I looked up electric yellow labs and their facts were pretty accurate as to compatable tank mates - what they failed to mention is that i order to mix thses species together, you should have at least a 55 gallon tank!
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Post by bikeguy33 on Apr 4, 2009 18:31:19 GMT -5
true enough....
have you tried method 2 where you pull down 2 species of fish and it gives compatibility?
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Post by murdock6701 on Apr 4, 2009 18:51:36 GMT -5
nope, that I haven't done yet - probably makes me look like a dumb ass for not going one step further huh?
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Post by bikeguy33 on Apr 4, 2009 19:01:30 GMT -5
lol....thats where that chart shines
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Post by murdock6701 on Apr 4, 2009 19:09:01 GMT -5
sort of, tells you they're compatable and when you go to "search" for more info it doesn't say much onless you go to the main page link - all in all it still is a very good starting point IMO, but rearching beyond that I think is still a good idea for a responsible keeper of f ish
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Post by bikeguy33 on Apr 4, 2009 19:15:44 GMT -5
i agree.....great starting point
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Post by goldenpuon on Apr 4, 2009 19:56:16 GMT -5
I chose goldfish and it said they were compatible with the Chinese High Fin, Corydoras Catfish, and Upsidedown Catfish. Is this accurate? I thought they were only compatible with other coldwater fish such as carp and koi.
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Post by jonv on Apr 4, 2009 19:58:30 GMT -5
It is a tool as you said, I think what the key word here is, amateur or beginner. When I just wanted to see off hand what they would say, and what I suspected they would say, for example of Clown Loaches with say Zebra Malawi's and all I got was Zebra's need to be kept in groups of 10.
What concerns me about something like this, is this source, while helpful to some degree Bill, does not take into account, gender, tank size, and water chemistry, as far as I can see. Tank size changes the whole dynamics which I can testify to. Comparing what you see in tanks under 40 gallons, to tanks of 75 and up, you see an entirely different behavior pattern out of your stock. The idea of having to keep 10 Zebra's in a group also indicates that this site adheres to the overstock to reduce aggression, which I am no fan of at all.
As with Carl's documentation about what happens in stress, and the immune systems and as well, overall health of your stock, an overstocking to reduce aggression is going to cause the stress levels of the tank to drastically climb, where as, if one were to purchase or collect mature adults, where gender is know, and keep them in the proper ratio's, which would mean you wouldn't need 10 of them, you get a much better tank in terms of harmony and compatibility.
As well too my friend, most any site is always going to discourage and state that cory catfish, and most bottom feeders outside of larger catfish are incompatible and this is by far not accurate. Again tank size really changes this. I have had, and still do have, going into the 4th year now a whole pile of cories, a few different botia's, and my slower growing clown loaches in with a variety of Africans and only every now and then, you'll find a dead cory, but it goes months between such occasions. In a larger tank, you can accomplish this with little difficulty at all.
I am not going to state either that Tropheus and other Tangyangikans though, can intermix, as generally, this works out very badly. That is one aspect I'd support with enthusiasm. I have been just straight out lucky being able to keep a Tropheus Dubosi with my Malawi stock, when if one was to do this over a 1000 tanks, 3 out of 4 times, the Tropheus will end up dead inside of a year due to diet and believe it or not, water chemistry being off. I have been able to do it, but it's not something I would ever advise anyone to try. When I picked up the Dubosi, I wasn't aware of what I know now, and if I had known this ahead of time, I wouldn't have even tried. But being it's gone this far, and I don't have any affinity for other Tangyangikans, might as well let things keep going.
I just don't like the general ideas of this chart Bill, not faulting the efforts to give advice, but I can see mind set or logic process in this chart, that could mislead newer keepers.
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Post by eve on Apr 4, 2009 20:00:53 GMT -5
as of late, there have been alot of comments mentioned on compatibility. a couple years ago i found a site that has a very easy to use compatibility chart. punch in the 2 types of fish and it will let you know the compatibility. it also offers a few general facts about said fish. surprisingly enough....the list is pretty complete encompassing most of the popular fish in our trade although the cichlid part i`d like to see a lil more complete. the site is www.tropicalfishandaquariums.com/Compatibility/index.phpthanks for finding that or better said putting it up that is a chart i had found also a couple of years ago, but was never able to find it again i made this thread a sticky for now |
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Post by bikeguy33 on Apr 4, 2009 20:34:40 GMT -5
Jon....this is a starting spot.....like someone never having kept fish before can look and figure out that a cardinal tetra and a jack dempsy arent compatible. i think with a chart like this i would have commited alot less sins when i was starting out fish keeping than i did. it was a learning curve. this would have allowed me to start school at grade 4 instead of kindergarten if this makes sense....
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Post by murdock6701 on Apr 4, 2009 23:32:23 GMT -5
as of late, there have been alot of comments mentioned on compatibility. a couple years ago i found a site that has a very easy to use compatibility chart. punch in the 2 types of fish and it will let you know the compatibility. it also offers a few general facts about said fish. surprisingly enough....the list is pretty complete encompassing most of the popular fish in our trade although the cichlid part i`d like to see a lil more complete. the site is www.tropicalfishandaquariums.com/Compatibility/index.phpthanks for finding that or better said putting it up that is a chart i had found also a couple of years ago, but was never able to find it again i made this thread a sticky for now thank you Eve - this laso links you to Tim's aquarium page (maybe not the correct name) which has some of the most incredible pictures of fish of all varieties that personally found very entertaing and anmazing and have kept in "my favorites" for years....... |
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Post by cashay on Apr 10, 2009 13:23:19 GMT -5
I like this..... will be very handy! Thanks!
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Post by Carl on Apr 10, 2009 15:39:04 GMT -5
I think this is a good starting place, but also have to note that newbies should note that this is a generalization and many factors come into play as Jon noted.
I did not have time to try to many different combinations, but I found the results generally good from my experience, but again this does not consider decor, plants, even water temperatures.
I also often find "rules" for fish groups lacking in what my results have been.
For instance this chart noted that I should keep Boesmani Rainbows in groups of 10 or more and I have NEVER found this in the Boesmani Rainbows I have kept for my clients.
Carl
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Post by Suzie Q (Lori) on Apr 23, 2009 9:38:16 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my 2 cents...
Great link!!! Hopefully this will keep people from buying those 1 1/2 in oscars and put them in with neons!!! (hopefully most people are smart enough not to).
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Post by jim on Sept 6, 2009 14:32:12 GMT -5
This is a noble effort guys, but people will still buy the little oscars, and put them in with neons, and wolf cichlids in with guppys, etc. because there will always be the under-paid, fish store employee, that dont know a snakehead from a desert pupfish, and could care less, as long as they get off in time to catch sponge bob on TV.
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Post by goldenpuon on Sept 7, 2009 14:17:56 GMT -5
Probably not. But at least it will make it easier for people to put the right fish together who care enough to research the fish they get before they go buy them. But of course, there will always be those ignorant and misinformed people. You are right on that.  |
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