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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 15, 2009 23:59:27 GMT -5
wondering if it would be safe to try and move a few of the fish into the larger tank yet.
ill do an amonia test and a 5 in 1 test and post the results.
would apreciate everyones thaughts on this.
thanks James
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Post by eve on Feb 16, 2009 0:06:19 GMT -5
ok, awaiting test results
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:10:51 GMT -5
gh- 180 kh- 250-260 again off charts only guessing ph-7.5 nitrite-0 nitrate-0
amonia- 0.25
soo is it safe?
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:18:25 GMT -5
also going to add prime after the transfer if it is indeed safe to transfer. and would like the best method for acclimating and transfering i no longer have bags.... do have left over betta cup.
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Post by jonv on Feb 16, 2009 0:18:35 GMT -5
Hard to say on the nitrogen compounds at this point. There is some trace ammonia, and I am not sure if that's just the beginning of a new cycle or not. There are times, even with mature filters, you might have a temporary die off in your colony, and you might get a small period of time, some minor trace of ammonia will show until bacteria grows, but as I understand the situation, you just started out with a new filter?
The GH and KH, while high, has an unusual situation. I'd have thought your pH to have been significantly higher, close to almost 8. This leads me to believe, that your tank is not entirely stable at this point, or you have a high amount of dissolved organic material in your water, which is in constant difference with your buffers. I will say this much about your mineral hardness though. You could have a huge GH/KH reading and that's only going to push your pH to a max of about 8.4 and that's about the limit it can be buffered up to and be stable.
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Post by eve on Feb 16, 2009 0:20:32 GMT -5
ok recap tank is setup since almost a week now right?
do you have a piece of driftwood in your tank?
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:20:36 GMT -5
i might have had a bad reading i accidently dropped the stick after i pulled it out and the box said not to shake it. should i do another test?
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Post by eve on Feb 16, 2009 0:22:44 GMT -5
yes i would do that, just to make sure
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:22:51 GMT -5
nope no wood in the tank at all. just ceramic and plastic and the gravel. 2 feeder minnows and old filter from 10 gallon on the bottom. and the new filter has been in for about 3 days. and tanks been filled for aproximately 8 days.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:25:33 GMT -5
gh- 180 kh- 240 ph- 8.6 nitrite- 0 nitrate- 0
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Post by jonv on Feb 16, 2009 0:30:55 GMT -5
Ok so you are using that mature established filter. Effectively, you already have a bacterial colony in place, and as long as that filter didn't suffer an ammonia/nitrite loss, combined with no O2, then the bed should still be there. The bacteria will not move out of the 10 into the 30, but you will get some growth starting on the 30. What you might want to consider, this being a week into things, is use the media from the 10 gallon filter, and put it in the 30.
So long as you keep the same population you had in the 10 gallon tank, this should not cause any serious issues with nitrogen compounds and basically, create an instant cycled/mature tank. If you increase the bioload that was in the 10, then you'll have some minimal readings on your ammonia/nitrite for some time, depending on just how much you added on to the population. Keep testing to keep an eye on it. If you begin detecting nitrogen compounds, then it's important that you use some Prime, with that pH reading you now have in your second result. Use of Prime will keep the ammonia ionized, and less lethal, that would be otherwise with that high of a pH.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:35:44 GMT -5
ok. soo i should be able to move some fish in then?
and if so which fish should i move first.
golden dojo loach almost 6 inches
3 cory catfish 2 small ones not even an inch and skinny. 1 big one full grown and fat.
1 male dwarf gourami almost 3 inches.
not moving the glass cats there too fragile and healthy in the 10 soo there staying there indefinately
and guppies would be pointless to move cuz im going to breed them in the 10 gallon soo no point in moving just to move back in.
thanks James
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Post by eve on Feb 16, 2009 0:38:08 GMT -5
personally, i wouldn't move anything until you had a nitrite spike
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 0:41:55 GMT -5
ok thanks eve will waite.
want to do this the right way.
thanks again for everything James
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Post by eve on Feb 16, 2009 0:43:28 GMT -5
you're very welcome i know it's hard to look at an empty tank, but it's all for the good of your fish
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Post by jonv on Feb 16, 2009 0:49:01 GMT -5
You can do either or in reality. The key here is, that 10 gallon filter, which is mature, basically has a colony fit to the bio load you had. If you put the same bioload in a bigger tank, with the same filter, you may have a short minor rise in the readings, but nothing that's going to last. However, if your bioload is different, this is going to alter the readings.
If you want to wait, there's nothing wrong with that. You will however, have to transfer the fish at a slower rate. You have to remember, that mature filter is already set to the bio load that was in the 10. The load in there now is lower and you'll begin to have some colony loss simply because the same amount of ammonia and nitrite that used to be put out in that 10 gallon, does not exist in the bigger tank. Much as if you took the filter and shut it down for a few days, the bacteria will die, if the fuel it was using is cut, some of that bacteria is going to get lost.
So if you wait for a bit, transfer the fish a few at a time. In essence though, as long as that filter hasn't gone like 4-5 days without the same load, you could in effect transfer to the bigger tank, everything that filter used to filter for. It's your call.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 14:54:00 GMT -5
well which fish would you suggest moving first. its been about 5 days since i placed the filter in the tank. soo i may have some die off as you said. __________________ options for transfer.
dojo loach.
cory catfish x3 _____________________ not an option f or transfer
gourami
glass cats x2
guppies x3
simply because guppies are already in there home the new breeding tank.
glass cats too fragile to transfer.
gourami im puttin in last cuz i dont want him to take the tank over and bully everyone ___________________________________________________________________________
soo whats your suggestion and how would i do the transfer and still acclimate them. i no longer have bags. just a betta cup.
thanks again ~james~
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Post by goldenpuon on Feb 16, 2009 15:41:37 GMT -5
I know Carl has an article on acclimating fish but I forgot the title and can't seem to find it. James, you will need more than a betta cup. There is a way with a bucket but I'm not good at explaining it. That where Carl's article that I can't find comes in. If anyone can, please find it and post it. It will definitely be very helpful for Corycatwoman.
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Post by corycatwoman on Feb 16, 2009 15:52:07 GMT -5
awesome thanks renee!
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Post by eve on Feb 16, 2009 16:38:54 GMT -5
actually the acclimating article is right here in this board as a stickly Acclimating your fish properlyas for which fish to transfer it really doesn't matter IMO, i would keep the cory's as long as possible in the 10, as they're very sensitive to water changes the gourami and the dojo shouldn't be a problem but keep in mind that you will have to keep a close eye on your parameters and your fish and signs for stress
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