|
Post by jonv on Feb 22, 2009 14:18:06 GMT -5
Not going to move on the Menarambo's until I get everything moved. I've already got a bad feeling the Pytcho's are going to end up having babies right at the time I'm going to be breaking down everything and moving it. Not 100% sure how I'm going to approach this really, but my initial idea is to attempt to siphon out the fry once hatched and keep them in their own tank as they grow. I just hope that stress won't cause issues. Egg laying species, I think the parents feed them until they get bigger, like with Convicts. I don't know if this applies to all species, but these fish hatch extremely rapid from fertilization to hatch, 2 to 2.5 days. If she can get the eggs down before this weekend comming I have good hopes I can save that brood. If she lays by next weekend, this is going to get more tricky.
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 3, 2009 13:42:37 GMT -5
Lost the adult female Yellow Lab today, she literally killed herself. I was checking on some stuff on the computer, heard a BANG looked over at the tanks, found the female laying down on the gravel not moving or nothing. She must have crushed her brain or something on the hood. I got her in my hand and she didn't move at all, no gill movement either. I opened the mouth and stripped out the fry best I could, but looks like she only had about 15, I can find 7 moving around, but there are 5 bodies not moving either. Not sure why this happend, she was in the 15 gallon all by herself. I was going to send this female to John later in the year to breed with, so much for that idea. Will have to wait for some of her offspring to grow out and find more females now before Yellow Lab breeding begins again. I have about 25 that are a few months old over in the 75, 5 that are in the 100, and the 7 I can find now, so out of the 40 or so I do have, should be able to get a couple females, I hope.
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Mar 3, 2009 14:19:43 GMT -5
Lost the adult female Yellow Lab today, she literally killed herself. I was checking on some stuff on the computer, heard a BANG looked over at the tanks, found the female laying down on the gravel not moving or nothing. She must have crushed her brain or something on the hood. Ouch, sorry to read this Jon. Was another fish harassing her that you know of? Carl
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 3, 2009 14:28:36 GMT -5
Unless it was one of her own fry Carl, not possible. She was the only fish in the tank, in the 15, except for any fry she may have already spit out. What I find odd, though first time this has happend to me, she still had about 10 fry in her mouth, and when I let them out manually, most of them were dead. I do not know if that shock of the hit did it, or maybe I did not get them out in time and they didn't get enough water passed through their gills or what. Why she did this, I am not sure.
|
|
|
Post by murdock6701 on Mar 3, 2009 14:49:29 GMT -5
sorry to hear this Jon, very sorry.....could your heater have shorted out and electrocuted her - maybe a fry got stuck in her throat - sorry I don't have an answer and am more sorry for the loss of a great lab
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 3, 2009 14:56:40 GMT -5
Gonna have to rule that one out as well John, since I put my hand in the tank to pick her out, see if she was just stunned or something, she didn't move at all, if the heater shorted, I'd have felt something when I put my hand in the water, I would think. I would think also that the fry would be more reactive to that then the adult, maybe? That there are some alive and out of her mouth before she jumped, I am thinking not likely. The light on the heater is still on too.
I just hate starting over, and that was the one I was going to send to you. Very pure yellow over the whole body, and would have been a great female to breed back for you.
|
|
|
Post by murdock6701 on Mar 3, 2009 15:01:41 GMT -5
none stuck in her throat? or gills? this is very odd indeed......again, sorry to hear this
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Mar 3, 2009 15:54:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that happened Jon. I know of someone (actually my neighbor) who had something like this happen only it was with a pleco. She said the pleco used to like to jump out of the water so she kept a blanket on the tank most of the time. But one time she didn't and the fish jumped and hit its head on the hood. She said that she the fish do this before her eyes and it died afterward. It's juts a guess but maybe a similar thing happened with your lab? Either way, I'm sorry you lost her.
|
|
|
Post by bikeguy33 on Mar 3, 2009 21:45:03 GMT -5
for her to dart like that hard enough to kill her....she had to be spooked by something. even if it was an inatimate object that she caught out of the corner of her eye. in the wild, in times of danger they dart and dart fast.
another possibility unless it has been ruled out is something in the tank falling on her. that would explain the banging sound as well?
I hope 1 of these are a possibility. even tho it doesnt change the outcome, it is nice to know what happened to attempt an avoidence in the future.
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 5, 2009 12:04:24 GMT -5
The Pytcho's are just about 100% free swimming now. Many of them are up and out of the substrate. Pretty big group too, but will hard to get any level of a detailed photo.
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 5, 2009 12:09:44 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Mar 5, 2009 12:32:22 GMT -5
I cannot quite make them out. Is that "cloud" near the foreground of the second video the fry?
Congrats by the way on your hatch!
Carl
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 5, 2009 12:51:19 GMT -5
That's them Carl, they stay just below mom and dad in that whole area. I'm thinking there is at least 200 in there, but how can anyone count that many. At least though, if they are up and swimming I can clean in the substrate much easier without worry of sucking any up. So for review as I have about 25% of my article done, this species spawns and hatches in about 60 hours, Friday night Sat morning eggs went down, by Sunday night-Mon morning, eggs were move to pit area, and from Monday to Thursday morning, free swimming.
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Mar 5, 2009 16:17:27 GMT -5
Congrats on the fry Jon. I can not see the fry either but I bet it's because they are so tiny.
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 5, 2009 18:41:31 GMT -5
The Electric Blues (Scianochromis Fryeri) are spawning, and that Venustus among some other Mbuna as well kept interfering. I caught a few shots of it, might be blurry I have to see, but she dropped about 30-40 eggs total, but he had to keep fending off other fish, I am not sure if he was able to fertilize enough of the brood. I won't hold out high hopes for this time around. I have to say from what I saw, eggs from this species, are much larger then that of the other Mbuna I've seen spawn. This one seems to show the best as I could get of it. s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/knottypeater/?action=view¤t=030509_1835a.flv
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 5, 2009 19:56:17 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Mar 5, 2009 20:12:51 GMT -5
I could see the fry much better in the last two videos; you certainly do have alot?
Good luck with the Electric Blue too.
Carl
|
|
|
Post by brenda on Mar 5, 2009 21:53:23 GMT -5
Holy crap Jon...That is insane!!!! Congrats!!
|
|
|
Post by jonv on Mar 6, 2009 15:44:42 GMT -5
I did a cleaning in the tank today, and since I'd seen the Polleni eat up my Protomelas Steveni fry, I figured the parents of this spawn are going to have high stress protecting them, especially since they are getting more adventurous so I moved the Polleni over to the 180. They are moving out in a bigger area now and you can see them a bit better. s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/knottypeater/?action=view¤t=030609_1538a.flv
|
|
|
Post by goldenpuon on Mar 6, 2009 16:45:17 GMT -5
Wow! You have so many. I see them in absoluetly everywhere in your tank. Congrats!
|
|