Betta Spawns (Family Trees/Names)

[goldenpuon]

I reposted this from EA on MSN.


From: goldenpuon (Original Message) Sent: 7/9/2008 9:16 PM
All recorded with names are keepers. Letters after name are fin colors after name. M= mixed

First/second spawn F_(red)Melonga_R /M_(Blue)Rosha_B
40-50 offspring, more females than males
F Offspring green Forestei_R, Kalim_R, Dullen_R
blue, unrecorded (a lot)
red Resh_R
M Offspring green Tafiar_R
blue Roshan_B, Late Flare_B
F_(sub white)Drift_B/M_(green mixed)Iden_R

F offspring sub white Ellie_M Edie_R/B
M offspring sub green mix Critique_M
blue/white Tomp_B
reddish pink Lotan_R

F_(Green)Kittwang_R/M_(Blue)Rosha_B

M offspring blue Topaz_B

F_(changable/mixed)DawnM_CHANGABLE/M_(Green)Tafiar_R

Offspring M? F? Hino





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From: goldenpuon Sent: 7/9/2008 10:58 PM

All recorded with names are keepers. Letters after name are fin colors after name. M= mixed

Fix, just checked old notes, Tafiar's name is actually Crimson...

First/second spawn F_(red)Melonga_R /M_(Blue)Rosha_B
40-50 offspring, more females than males
F Offspring green Forestei_R, Kalim_R, Dullen_R
blue, unrecorded (a lot)
red Resh_R
M Offspring green Crimson_R
blue Roshan_B, Late Flare_B
F_(sub white)Drift_B/M_(green mixed)Iden_R

F offspring sub white Ellie_M Edie_R/B
M offspring sub green mix Critique_M
blue/white Tomp_B
reddish pink Lotan_R

F_(Green)Kittwang_R/M_(Blue)Rosha_B

M offspring blue Topaz_B

F_(changable/mixed)DawnM_CHANGABLE/M_(Green)Crimson_R

Offspring M? F? Hino


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From: goldenpuon Sent: 7/10/2008 9:47 PM
Two new spawns (Only wanted one.) Set up I thought the male in 1 tank had no eggs but didn't take him out... Then I found babies and the other twio spawned.. Gonna have my hands full. lol

M_(reddish pink)Lotan_R/F(green)Kalim_R

spawn 7/10/2008


M_(sub green mix)Critique_M/F_Unknown; either females in tank,(green)Kalim_R , (white)Dot_lightB or female that expelled eggs that I put in tank to trigger male to spawn (white)Crash_R/B/changable

eggs hatched 7/10/08


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From: goldenpuon Sent: 8/29/2008 4:48 PM
I just realized that Critique's mate, if it is Kalim, she is dead. I found a green female in my 4 gallon with the other females dead the water change before this one. She died flaring so I assume it was from a fight... Only 2 fry have survived, 1 healthy one and 1 that got saprolegenia or something on it's body I tried to get off. Then it stopped eating and got anorexic for a few days but now it seems to be a bit more active, eating, and recovering. Their father Critique is super beautiful and looks kind of like a half-moon. I'm hoping they turn out like their father.

[goldenpuon]

Correction, Kalim is not dead, I put her in the other 4 gallon with the other bunch of females I have. It must have been someone else. Whoops.

[jonv]

Nice records you built there Renee. I just might have to try that out myself if I ever could find species I know their F standing. For cichlids, the F generation indicates how far removed from wild caught. F0 and bike can correct me if I'm wrong is either Wild Caught or First generation in tank? Something like that, so F1's are fry from wild caught parents, 1st generation brood in tank F2 is Offspring from F1 etc... I also think there are complications to using that, where it's not just that simple. Like for example how it's ok to interbreed with fish, if you took say and F1 and crossed with parent F0, I am trying to remember how that effects the F rating. Bike, if you know more about how the intricacies of that is, please help.

[bikeguy33]

well first off.....F0 is wild caught. And the next question I am not sure of is the F0 and F1. if i had to guess....i would say an F0 and an F1 would create and F2 since they are not truly the first captive bred generation. I will research this a lil though just to be sure I am not mis informing anyone.

[goldenpuon]

Well, none of the parents or grandparents were wild caught so if I were to use F0 or F1 like I learned in Biology, it would be unofficial. Their parents/grandparents all came from Petsmart. (Of course, some of the parents were born in my house though.)

[8 in the Corner]

Sept 3, 2008 21:44:47 GMT -5 bikeguy33 said:

well first off.....F0 is wild caught. And the next question I am not sure of is the F0 and F1. if i had to guess....i would say an F0 and an F1 would create and F2 since they are not truly the first captive bred generation.

You are correct, it would be an F2. However, 2 or 3 is about the last digit that is used to describe cichlids, I have never seen a cichlid described as an F4 in my limited experience over the last few years of going to fish auctions and presentations by breeders at our club meetings. Even noting an F3 is rare in the hobby.

I have a pair of F1 telmatochromis temporalis that have just hatched a batch of F2's. I plan to sell them as F2's but the people who buy them probably will not make any distinction on the F numbers after that. Everything else I own came with no F numbers.

Most fish in the retail trade today are so far removed from wild fish, trying to give them an F number would be almost impossible to do. Sometimes you can find wild fish (such as discus or altum angels) at wholesalers who import, but they rarely know if other species are actual F0's or from breeders in foreign countries.
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[jonv]

You know, now that I think of it 8 (John) I can't recall seeing anything posted past F2 either. I do see quite a few sellers on eBay and aquabid that offer a good number of wild caught Africans or F0's. I'm not sure how productive it would be to strive to keep closer to wild caughts or tank raised, or if that really impacts anything at all. With all the years of experience you have and Bill as well, I'd assume you guys probably have seen just about everything there is to see in the hobby.

[bikeguy33]

Far from everything Jon. i think after seeing everything the hobby would get very boring and i`d move on to something different....

[goldenpuon]

So what would the parents I bought from Petsmart be? F0, F1, or P? And what would their offspring be?

[bikeguy33]

it is normally only cichlids that get the f rating. as far as bettas....if they did get them they`d be in the thousands. most betta arent wild caught....and to the best of my knowledge....when they are wild caught they are very plain in comparison to what you keep.

[goldenpuon]

Well, for my home specimans, if I started out with the first generation being the parents bought from the store, what would they be called? Sorry, sort of forgot what F1, F2, and P stands for from Biology class. lol

[bikeguy33]

f1 is first generation....f2 is second generation captive bred

[goldenpuon]

Then F1 and F2 generation it is! And I have 2 F3's. ( I should call them inm Renee's house F1, F2, and F3) lol Thanks Bikeguy.

[sammiesam]

Wild bettas are actually completely different than the bettas we get from petsmart and stuff like that actually. Some of them you can't even actually tell they are bettas, unless someone told you. I think wild bettas are actually very pretty, but they have short fins and hardly any color.

www.ultimatebettas.com

there are come pics on here of some peoples wilds, and if you go check out aquabid theres a whole section just for wild bettas.

[goldenpuon]

Thanks for posting that Sammie! Looks like an awesome site!

[goldenpuon]

Note to self: Betta breeding discontinued.

[goldenpuon]

I have not updated this in a a LONG time. However, I wanted to announce that my last beta died in August or September (I waited a while before posting). She was 3 years old.

However, her brother who belongs to one of my cousins is still alive. He is slowing down from age but is 3 1/2 years old now. (I forgot his name.)

Renee